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Bruce Nolan that's Jim Carrey from the

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movie Bruce Almighty talking about his

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problems with separation it's a topic we

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talked quite a bit about with today's

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guest UFO researcher crane Cameron we go

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back to the fact that there is just

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experience that's all there is if you

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take a look at we talked about the evil

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alien okay so we say there's evil aliens

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that's the general impression and if you

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go and you do the free survey you see

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the 84% of all experience you say if

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they were given the chance to have it

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stopped they would say no only nine

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percent say it's evil and nine percent

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is not zero but it's getting pretty

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close there are no victims there are

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just volunteers it's all experienced so

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so what are we moving towards here's the

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kicker and the important part for for

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people who don't believe like so many of

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the academics or humanists materialists

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atheist paradigm and they don't have to

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deal with any of this [\h__\h] but for

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people like you and I who acknowledge an

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extended consciousness realm when

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somebody tells me yeah I'm I'm abusing

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these kids and let me tell you this

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spirit being this entity in the extended

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consciousness realm and he's really into

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it too and he's bringing all this power

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into the group and he's doing these

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physical things and if I do this ritual

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in a certain way it brings even more

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welcome to skeptic oh where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics

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I'm your host Alex Karras and today we

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welcome back to skeptic Oh grant Cameron

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grant is without question one of the top

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UFO researchers in the world he's well

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known for his website White House UFOs

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we're way back in the day he explored

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the connection between the United States

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Presidents and UFOs but in more recent

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years he's been tracking down the

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connection between the UFO phenomenon

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and consciousness of course a topic that

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we are so so interested in on this show

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well grant is also as many of you know

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the author of several terrific books I'm

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showing some of them up on the screen

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and from what I understand grant even

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has a couple other books in the works

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that are especially relevant through the

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topics we're going to be talking about

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today I'm sure we'll hear more about

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that grant it's so awesome to always

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talk to you it's just amazing the new

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information you bring forward in I'm

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looking forward to this one because you

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know I kind of teed this up I had an

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interview with Dolan a while back and

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you were part of our discussion and I

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wanted to kind of thread this into an

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ongoing this level three kind of

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discussions that's really cool to have

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you here Alex because in the way that I

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have done consciousness over the last

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you two have gone down that road when it

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really wasn't all that popular and I'll

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become sort of a buzzword but you were

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there at the beginning and you've taken

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the same sort of interest in the

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consciousness aspect to reality as I

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have so I'm honored to be talking to you

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well you know what's kind of cool is

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that we kind of came at it from two

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separate angles that kind of intersect

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and I have to say you are really one of

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deeper than I was going on my own you

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know I mean so I was down the

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consciousness path and I was exploring

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near-death experience first ice

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exploring anyone who's listening the

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show knows this but if they're just

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popping in you know I was down the

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parapsychology path but really let's

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like look at science is precognition

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real you know because all these

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materialist skeptics deniers I'm gonna

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say it isn't and then that led me to

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near-death experience that led me to

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communication and all the rest of this

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stuff and then grant Cameron pops along

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and says hey wait a minute I'm saying

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all these connections between this UFO

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phenomenon we're talking about and the

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extensively in my interview with Richard

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Dolan and we went over that whole

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history and he along with me identifies

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you as one of the key people in making

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that startling connection between the

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Wilbert Smith memo and I won't go over

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that whole thing with people because we

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did a whole show on it and you've talked

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about it many times but the connection

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between that and consciousness so if you

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want you know we could do here I mean I

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don't know where to really start this

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but let's start it with you updating us

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on what's going on in your world and

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interview and a rather lengthy clip and

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are you doing what's what's going on in

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your world you got a lot of stuff going

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on as usual

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tell us what's up lots of stuff is going

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life as we were talking about with the

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consciousness thing it starts with the

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consciousness download that I get in

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2012 and it's sort of like people who

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maybe have had a near-death experience I

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didn't choose to have it it happened it

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flipped me into this world I wasn't

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about 2017 I had a more dramatic lengthy

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how the universe worked and it's been

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the books I'm working on now sir try to

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consciousness and now the books I'm

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stuff you're talking about at the

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beginning near-death experiences you

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mediums now and I tie all these elements

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contact modalities which should be out

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momentarily and it basically looks at

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all the different modalities and yeah

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field all the information is in the

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field and various people through the

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ability to shut down the noise in their

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brain and with us mediums or people

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near-death experiences or people who

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that they're able to pop in the field

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can grab the material so I've got about

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month is I'm tying together experiences

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that happen in the spirit world that

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the UFO and they're absolutely identical

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Ron Johnson who's a guy is a Mormon guy

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cities experiences starting in 1960s and

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as part of his UFO experiences he has

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where he believes that the beings

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actually take him out and in three of

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world and he's interacting with his

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mother in the spirit world and she takes

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advanced heart disease when you die when

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you come here you're going to get a room

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in this building so he says I go into

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building that is on the outside of the

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building and as soon as he said that I

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said that's UFO stuff Chris Bledsoe

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experience in the UFO world at one point

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the craft the craft is alive and during

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to start from the beginning go to the

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end and I want you to tell me how do you

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fly craft so he starts and he says well

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the object is on the ground is shaped

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doorway I go in and he says I suddenly

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realized it's way bigger on the inside

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of the craft that is on the other side

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small he looks inside and it's way

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bigger it's identical story and it's not

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kind of a story you're gonna make up if

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you're gonna try to make something up

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the other story to give you an example

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spirit world she takes him and she shows

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she tells him the story that all these

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crystals are the stories of people's

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lives and so you look into the crystal

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entire life 3d back as far as you want

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crystal is this crystal his dog comes up

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and he looks at his dog and he sees how

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his dog died he didn't know how the dog

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died he realized that it had been shot

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by the neighbor so and he said my

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crystal doesn't come up until I'm in the

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spirit world so he's telling this story

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1988 documentary UFO documentaries full

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cover-up line which is always rumored to

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be a documentary where the CIA was

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dropping stuff into your folk committee

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is that in the final days of the Reagan

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administration and during that

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documentary they talked Richard Doty

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who's the Falken who's now becoming sort

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of famous this Richard Doty guy says the

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most amazing thing I saw of all the

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evidence I saw was an octagonal crystal

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that the aliens held and they held this

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crystal up and you looked at it at a

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certain angle and you could see the

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entire history of the whole world and

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the rumor back in the 1980s when the

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story was going around is that they had

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the crucifixion of Jesus Christ on this

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crystal it's the same story you go to

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Michael Newton Michael Newton says in

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the spirit world you're in the life

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between lives people are looking at the

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books he says you open up the book and

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there's a crystal in it and you look at

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a certain angle if the crystal and you

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plan your future lives you can see your

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past lives you go all that so these are

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the connections are starting to make and

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there's so many connections where I'm

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starting to say I don't really know if

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this is et this may be just spirits

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higher self whatever who are putting on

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a different mask because now we're in

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the now we're in the space age and if

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you take a look you have I'm doing

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people with light language now these

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people who can speak these weird light

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languages and people who can speak 20 of

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them it all hasn't happened for the last

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ten years no more than that I go and

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people are dealing with reptilians I

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said where was the first reptilian

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experience 1988 when was the first grey

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experience 1961 with Betty and Barney

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Hill and they were wearing hats and you

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see these bizarre things and you're

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going like maybe this isn't alien at all

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maybe this is just because we're in the

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Space Age they've come in and portrayed

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themselves as aliens and it's because

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it's basically the same message that

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you're gonna get in near-death

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experiences in people who are claiming

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they're talking to soul guys we're

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talking to their higher self people who

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are channeling it's the same message

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coming through all these different

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entities okay

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excellent way to tee it up and I'm

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tempted so attempted to jump in there on

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like a million different points but I'm

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gonna hold on for a minute I want to

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play the Dolan clip and then then we'll

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pick up the conversation cuz I have a

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couple of interesting little paths to

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take us down sure and I'm with grant in

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the sense that and I'm with Chris

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Bledsoe in the sense that I don't think

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that it's all negative but I'm not with

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I don't know I don't know where grant

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stands on this actually but I wouldn't

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be with him if he were to say it's all

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positive I don't believe that

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I mean Steven Greer would say it's all

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positive too and I strongly disagree

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with that I think that's just foolish so

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I think that's almost to me the third

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dimension of it because I want to recap

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what you talked about which I find so

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intriguing the first

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dimensioned isn't the proper word

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forgive me but the first question that

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pops to mind is what is the interface

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with our physical reality you know

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because we're interested in that we have

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this kind of curious engineering mood

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how did he make the lights shift and the

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second I think a question that pops up

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is what is the technology of the

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consciousness interface and I think

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that's particularly interesting because

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when we look at et and you start looking

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at the cases there's clearly as Grant

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pointed out in that clip we played from

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the 1950s we understood there's mental

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telepathy is the means of communication

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we go little [\h__\h] we don't know how to

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do that but apparently they do and they

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have it like a app on their iPhone so

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there's a technology component to

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consciousness that we just totally don't

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get and it also relates this time-space

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thing that we don't get but then the

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third dimension of it which you just

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just touched on it and I think it's so

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fascinating and I really want to get to

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it because it gets to the heart of the

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video that you did with Tracy and that's

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the good versus evil but moral

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imperative it's so challenging because

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we've all gone through you know you said

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you went through an atheistic phase any

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thinking person doesn't go through an

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atheistic place the muscles are fed with

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this kind of marrow Christian dogma get

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on the ark kind of stuff but when we

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blast past that we're still faced with

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is there good and bad and how does that

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work you've talked about grant let me

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play but grant has to say about that and

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then I want to get your taking then I

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often I take there's good and bad there

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is a moral difference you know take the

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most extreme example the guy who's

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taking little kids and cutting them up

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and selling their body parts and

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sexually molesting them that in my mind

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is is bad it's evil and then there were

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there's a bunch of shades in between and

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then there's some really holy good

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people that I don't know how they do it

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but they keep all their [\h__\h] together

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and they really do it well how's your

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universe is there good in bed

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some people in the consciousness camp

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said well there's really no good and bad

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it all just kind of you know well if you

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go to the noon stuff know if you get

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into reincarnation it's all experience

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if you is with the mistake you make is

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you you did it in that sentence you say

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okay this is guys who cut up little

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people or whatever okay and then there's

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these good people who basically have it

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all together and I would go to don't I

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have to quote the Bible but we with the

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whole thing with the prostitute Jesus

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said lead he who's perfect cast the

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first stone

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all you have you do not have good people

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and bad people you do not have good

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aliens okay so one quick it she warns us

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right into an ongoing kind of discussion

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you pick it up argument okay I guess the

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good good evil thing I have not changed

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my position this is this is like a

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religious dogma good versus evil

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it's a scientific religious superstition

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that there's there's positive negative

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basically we go back to the fact that

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there is just experience that's all

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there is if you take a look at we talked

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about the evil alien okay so we say

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there's evil aliens that's the general

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impression and if you go and you do the

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pre-survey you see the eighty-four

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percent of all experience just say if

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they were given the chance to have it

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stopped they would say no only nine

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percent say it's evil and nine percent

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is not zero but it's getting pretty

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close and when Ray Hernandez went back

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and interviewed those nine percent

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basically the vast majority of them said

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why do you think they're evil and it

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said because they scared the living

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daylights out of me they were tall

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8-foot tall reptilian-type or whatever

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and that was being race it that's it

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that's basically why you're calling them

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evil and they said yeah that's basically

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it they're in in the in the real world

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in a nice I say the word the way the

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world works is the universe is neutral

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and we get these dogmas we get these

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belief systems about good and bad and

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separation there is only one thing it is

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all one thing and we move into duality

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we create these little worlds where

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we're the good guy and then there's bad

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guys and you can take a look at the

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little children the pedophile thing so I

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would say to you okay you and I

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I was in County here in the United

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States in World War two we thought we

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were saving the world and we went to

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Germany and we were fighting Hitler and

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we'd invented this technique in 1942 or

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we started these fire bombings where we

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created this this firestorm where we

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cremated 25,000 people in one night now

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if you say pedophilia is 10 out of 10

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weird is dropping at a bomb and

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cremating 25,000 people alive go where

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it is dropping two atomic bombs it's all

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10 out of 10 I will agree there are

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things that are that are good things

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that are bad but in the end if you take

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a look Google near-death experience and

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a Google oneness and a video will pop up

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of a woman who will talk about the fact

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that she had a vision so she has a

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near-death experience you can say okay

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she had this near-death experience and

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we believe all this and then she starts

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talking about the vision she had there

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are no victims there are only volunteers

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I have got a number of people who have

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pulled me identical stories and having

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near-death experiences there are no

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victims there are just volunteers it's

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all experienced the idea we have to kind

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of step back because if consciousness is

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primary if consciousness is fundamental

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like you and I both believe that it is

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and the best science keeps coming back

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and saying gee every time we run the

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double-slit experiment every time we run

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it's consciousness is fundamental okay

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so then this whole discussion is kind of

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moved to a certain point because it's

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all just droplets in the ocean and that

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we're identifying as waves or foam or

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currents or it's just the ocean but at

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some point we have to we have

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discernment we have to start making

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these distinctions so I appreciate the

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distinctions you're saying I just what

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we have to I mean you're you're saying

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at some point we have to move to

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something else so what are we moving

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towards well I didn't mean it that way

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if that word threw you off in terms of

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distinctions I'm talking about what

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you're saying the conclusions that

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you're making are some distinctions

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within the ocean right because

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it's an ocean of consciousness there's

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really nothing to talk about it all is

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one but we are interested as human

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beings and as people who are trying to

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figure out what is the right thing to do

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with our lives and our time and our

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energy we're making distinctions and

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reading interpreting stories a

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particular way so I'm gonna challenge

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you on a couple of things that you said

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because we're you know there's few

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people who I feel have such a deep grasp

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of this thing like you do so it's super

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great opportunity and I don't want

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people to think I'm like getting in your

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face here but you have to go kind of

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thing

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so here that you're the problems I have

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with it one is I kind of feel sometimes

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like you're kind of jumping on the data

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one way when the data really as I read

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it comes back the other way

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I like how you reference Michael Newton

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and then are you familiar with rich

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martini absolutely sure okay so rich

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martini

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since Michael Newton has passed on he's

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the between lives researcher and martini

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actually got to interview him for this

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movie that he did flipside and he has

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since interviewed many many people who

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have both facilitated these between live

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regressions and have participated in

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them and I don't take every one of those

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stories as gospel because you can't you

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know that you know you let me finish

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grant because here's the point that

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you're just completely glossing over

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you're suggesting that that research

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suggests that there's no judgment the

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the martini documents in his film with

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experiencers

543
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:26,250
that it's just the opposite they

544
00:21:31,460 --> 00:21:29,250
definitely felt a hot like I like to

545
00:21:34,610 --> 00:21:31,470
call it a hierarchy of consciousness a

546
00:21:36,590 --> 00:21:34,620
moral imperative good and bad you know

547
00:21:38,210 --> 00:21:36,600
one of the most for anyone who's watched

548
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:38,220
that film one of the most compelling

549
00:21:44,090 --> 00:21:41,520
scenes is a woman who is being led it

550
00:21:47,300 --> 00:21:44,100
goes back to a past life memory of her

551
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:47,310
being in the Nazi concentration camps

552
00:21:53,460 --> 00:21:51,570
and being led to the gas chamber and she

553
00:21:56,250 --> 00:21:53,470
thinks about resisting and then she says

554
00:21:58,380 --> 00:21:56,260
no I'm with my people this is the path

555
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:58,390
that I have to play this is the role

556
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:00,159
that I have to play in this but at the

557
00:22:07,649 --> 00:22:04,090
same time she feels the weight and

558
00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:07,659
burden that her perpetrators will have

559
00:22:14,279 --> 00:22:10,809
to carry in working out the deeds that

560
00:22:16,830 --> 00:22:14,289
they're doing embedded in all that Grant

561
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:16,840
is a judgment is a moral imperative is

562
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:20,080
it good is it bad is a this is the thing

563
00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:22,690
to do this is not the thing to do

564
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:25,510
is that my actions matter that is

565
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:28,570
central to the near-death experience if

566
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:31,360
you look at it you know Jeff long you

567
00:22:35,149 --> 00:22:33,250
know Jeff long he's not trying to help

568
00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:35,159
you guys in the free organization

569
00:22:39,810 --> 00:22:37,510
clearly and you know for my interviews

570
00:22:41,730 --> 00:22:39,820
I've talked to them overwhelmingly the

571
00:22:44,669 --> 00:22:41,740
message is that there is a moral

572
00:22:47,490 --> 00:22:44,679
imperative there is good there is bad

573
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:47,500
there is a hierarchy there are choices

574
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:50,730
it's not judgmental in the old fashioned

575
00:22:57,299 --> 00:22:54,010
Bible Christian thumper dogmatic I

576
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:57,309
decide who goes to hell thing it's more

577
00:23:03,930 --> 00:23:01,200
your souls journey in deciding what is

578
00:23:05,789 --> 00:23:03,940
discernment again deciding what is the

579
00:23:09,690 --> 00:23:05,799
path what is the good thing but this

580
00:23:12,060 --> 00:23:09,700
idea of this there's no good there's no

581
00:23:14,580 --> 00:23:12,070
evil it's all just kind of a blob of

582
00:23:16,890 --> 00:23:14,590
consciousness completely flies in the

583
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:16,900
face of the between lives data and the

584
00:23:21,390 --> 00:23:18,970
near-death experience data as well as

585
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:21,400
the after death communication data you

586
00:23:25,950 --> 00:23:23,770
know and I have good research on that

587
00:23:27,779 --> 00:23:25,960
but it comes back over and over again

588
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:27,789
that there's good things to do and

589
00:23:32,130 --> 00:23:29,919
there's bad things to do and there's

590
00:23:34,289 --> 00:23:32,140
consequences and the consequences are

591
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:34,299
your own consequences in terms of what

592
00:23:40,140 --> 00:23:38,970
that how you will judge that later on

593
00:23:42,330 --> 00:23:40,150
okay

594
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:42,340
the way I see my Newton and I've studied

595
00:23:46,740 --> 00:23:44,530
Newton as much as anybody is that when

596
00:23:48,690 --> 00:23:46,750
you have the life review it is you

597
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:48,700
basically reviewing your own life and

598
00:23:53,130 --> 00:23:51,010
that everybody is asked only one

599
00:23:55,140 --> 00:23:53,140
question how did it work out because you

600
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:55,150
set up the play you set up the

601
00:23:58,049 --> 00:23:56,650
volunteered for this you volunteer for

602
00:23:59,970 --> 00:23:58,059
that we did this we did that and

603
00:24:00,840 --> 00:23:59,980
everybody says the same five word answer

604
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:00,850
I could have done better

605
00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:02,770
I just forgot to do this I was going to

606
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:06,130
do that and so when you when you when

607
00:24:09,220 --> 00:24:07,250
you get down

608
00:24:11,230 --> 00:24:09,230
the whole thing my definition of evil

609
00:24:14,169 --> 00:24:11,240
and there there is evil my definition of

610
00:24:16,419 --> 00:24:14,179
evil is all that we consider to be evil

611
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:16,429
in the modern world it is the mistaken

612
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:19,490
belief in separation what if you believe

613
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:21,770
you are separate then things become

614
00:24:28,029 --> 00:24:23,679
objects we can do whatever we want and

615
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:28,039
we do these things and when we have the

616
00:24:31,630 --> 00:24:30,080
judgment thing we realize oh we should

617
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:31,640
have done that should have done this and

618
00:24:36,850 --> 00:24:33,919
I say that in the end we're judging

619
00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:36,860
people save whatever whatever we have we

620
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:39,049
have a problem with this person and in

621
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:40,850
the end I simply believe the cording to

622
00:24:44,860 --> 00:24:43,250
Newton that you if you do not understand

623
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:44,870
this person's position you're going to

624
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:46,850
come back in that position to have

625
00:24:50,380 --> 00:24:48,799
empathy and understanding we can go to

626
00:24:53,250 --> 00:24:50,390
if you want to do scientific evidence we

627
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:53,260
go to Jill Bolte Taylor PhD

628
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:56,000
neuroanatomist no stupid woman who has

629
00:25:01,180 --> 00:24:57,890
the left brain hemorrhage and she says

630
00:25:02,890 --> 00:25:01,190
that all of the idea of separation comes

631
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:02,900
from a little area the size of a peanut

632
00:25:07,690 --> 00:25:04,970
in your left brain and she said when

633
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:07,700
those windows nurse those neurons go

634
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:09,770
offline as hers did when it was flooded

635
00:25:15,460 --> 00:25:12,799
with blood she suddenly realized I am

636
00:25:17,890 --> 00:25:15,470
NOT separate the I am NOT there is no

637
00:25:19,659 --> 00:25:17,900
ego there is no I I am one with the

638
00:25:21,340 --> 00:25:19,669
universe and the idea that you are

639
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:21,350
separate from everybody else in the

640
00:25:25,779 --> 00:25:24,559
universe is an illusion and she says it

641
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:25,789
quite clearly if you listen to her

642
00:25:29,890 --> 00:25:28,490
interviews and her TED talks that it's

643
00:25:31,060 --> 00:25:29,900
just an illusion that you think it's

644
00:25:32,740 --> 00:25:31,070
like do you think the world is flat you

645
00:25:34,060 --> 00:25:32,750
think the world is coming around the

646
00:25:37,930 --> 00:25:34,070
more evidence you get the more you

647
00:25:39,399 --> 00:25:37,940
realize that it's all it's all one thing

648
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:39,409
and when you believe you're separate

649
00:25:43,149 --> 00:25:41,120
then I'm better than this person I can

650
00:25:45,399 --> 00:25:43,159
use them I can use objects I can chop

651
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:45,409
down the last tree cat the last fish out

652
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:46,730
of the ocean it really doesn't matter

653
00:25:50,890 --> 00:25:48,530
they're just objects I'm separate from

654
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:50,900
them once you believe that that you are

655
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:52,970
one then you become like the Italian

656
00:25:56,860 --> 00:25:55,130
standing on the under their deck with

657
00:25:58,960 --> 00:25:56,870
their little cell phones all singing has

658
00:26:01,570 --> 00:25:58,970
won that we have to realize that we are

659
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:01,580
one we are all together and if we do not

660
00:26:05,049 --> 00:26:03,919
realize that we are that we are one and

661
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:05,059
that we are separate and we're gonna

662
00:26:09,159 --> 00:26:07,730
have me versus you good versus bad we're

663
00:26:10,419 --> 00:26:09,169
going to destroy the world it's all over

664
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:10,429
except for the screaming and crying as

665
00:26:16,659 --> 00:26:13,610
far as I'm concerned okay I have to say

666
00:26:20,860 --> 00:26:16,669
grant you've you've really been a key

667
00:26:22,930 --> 00:26:20,870
part of this ongoing dialogue

668
00:26:24,580 --> 00:26:22,940
that I've been generating these series

669
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:24,590
of shows that I've been generating on

670
00:26:33,490 --> 00:26:29,840
the nature of evil and your voice inside

671
00:26:36,430 --> 00:26:33,500
my head has been ongoing because I agree

672
00:26:38,020 --> 00:26:36,440
you know philosophically and spiritually

673
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:38,030
with so many of the things that you're

674
00:26:42,940 --> 00:26:40,490
saying but I just think you're making

675
00:26:44,830 --> 00:26:42,950
some distinctions a little bit

676
00:26:46,660 --> 00:26:44,840
differently well quite a bit differently

677
00:26:49,090 --> 00:26:46,670
than I would make and it relates again

678
00:26:52,270 --> 00:26:49,100
to this ocean of consciousness that then

679
00:26:53,890 --> 00:26:52,280
becomes a blob of consciousness here's

680
00:26:56,110 --> 00:26:53,900
where I'm coming from and let's see if I

681
00:26:59,320 --> 00:26:56,120
can corral you into this ongoing

682
00:27:02,290 --> 00:26:59,330
discussion I've had extended

683
00:27:05,380 --> 00:27:02,300
consciousness is something that you and

684
00:27:07,270 --> 00:27:05,390
I are both comfortable with we're

685
00:27:10,270 --> 00:27:07,280
comfortable with the notion you're

686
00:27:14,260 --> 00:27:10,280
referring to contact modalities I would

687
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:14,270
kind of almost merge that with my what

688
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:16,610
I'm calling extended consciousness so

689
00:27:22,540 --> 00:27:19,850
the shamanic journey I goes and licks

690
00:27:25,060 --> 00:27:22,550
the toad and as a DMT experience he's in

691
00:27:28,180 --> 00:27:25,070
extended consciousness the et

692
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:28,190
experiencer is onboard a ship but as you

693
00:27:32,380 --> 00:27:30,170
can see his body down there he's an

694
00:27:35,530 --> 00:27:32,390
extended consciousness near-death

695
00:27:37,660 --> 00:27:35,540
experiencers same thing you know what

696
00:27:40,090 --> 00:27:37,670
extended consciousness again and I think

697
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:40,100
you're calling that contact modalities

698
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:42,290
here's a point that I think is

699
00:27:46,450 --> 00:27:43,730
interesting that I haven't heard a lot

700
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:46,460
of people explore and that is my

701
00:27:53,650 --> 00:27:50,240
contention that evil is a lens through

702
00:27:57,460 --> 00:27:53,660
which we can explore extended

703
00:27:59,500 --> 00:27:57,470
consciousness in a very real way so I

704
00:28:03,610 --> 00:27:59,510
just popped up on the screen some of the

705
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:03,620
people I've been interviewing about this

706
00:28:08,860 --> 00:28:06,770
evil and I do it not because I'm

707
00:28:11,290 --> 00:28:08,870
particularly interested in evil I'm

708
00:28:13,900 --> 00:28:11,300
particularly interested in satanic

709
00:28:16,990 --> 00:28:13,910
ritual abuse which is one of the topics

710
00:28:20,290 --> 00:28:17,000
that I cover but take satanic ritual

711
00:28:22,270 --> 00:28:20,300
abuse really interesting topic and I can

712
00:28:24,430 --> 00:28:22,280
bring back some of the people that I had

713
00:28:26,169 --> 00:28:24,440
up on the screen there but Annika Lucas

714
00:28:29,710 --> 00:28:26,179
is interesting because she's six years

715
00:28:32,770 --> 00:28:29,720
old when her mother sells her into

716
00:28:34,899 --> 00:28:32,780
slavery with a cult that turns out to be

717
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:34,909
in Belgium this is unfortunate

718
00:28:39,850 --> 00:28:37,760
turns out to be a satanic cult that not

719
00:28:42,610 --> 00:28:39,860
only sexually abuses rapes these kids

720
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:42,620
but then murders them and this is

721
00:28:46,539 --> 00:28:44,450
reported over and over again so I have

722
00:28:48,639 --> 00:28:46,549
various other interviews with a bunch of

723
00:28:50,409 --> 00:28:48,649
people that confirm this and there's

724
00:28:53,139 --> 00:28:50,419
studies that confirm this and there's a

725
00:28:55,180 --> 00:28:53,149
brown university scholar who's done

726
00:28:58,330 --> 00:28:55,190
research on it and I have up on the

727
00:29:00,820 --> 00:28:58,340
screen Bob hammer who's 20 years FBI

728
00:29:03,549 --> 00:29:00,830
undercover agent who went in and

729
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:03,559
infiltrated ma'am Allah who is organized

730
00:29:09,370 --> 00:29:07,360
our ring that's organizing these

731
00:29:11,740 --> 00:29:09,380
expeditions where these fifty year old

732
00:29:14,350 --> 00:29:11,750
men can rape these young boys the

733
00:29:18,430 --> 00:29:14,360
priests and I go into all that is two

734
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:18,440
points one is with anyone's sensibility

735
00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:21,110
anyone you'll talk to they say that is

736
00:29:25,419 --> 00:29:23,510
that is evil in just kind of the way

737
00:29:28,210 --> 00:29:25,429
that I would understand evil but here's

738
00:29:30,850 --> 00:29:28,220
the kicker here's the kicker and the

739
00:29:34,570 --> 00:29:30,860
important part that everyone in my

740
00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:34,580
opinion seems to be looking past in the

741
00:29:43,299 --> 00:29:38,840
case of satanic ritual abuse these folks

742
00:29:46,419 --> 00:29:43,309
are actively seeking connection with the

743
00:29:48,850 --> 00:29:46,429
extended consciousness realms and beings

744
00:29:52,899 --> 00:29:48,860
in those extended consciousness realms

745
00:29:55,659 --> 00:29:52,909
in order to further carry out the deeds

746
00:29:57,490 --> 00:29:55,669
now is that connection what they're

747
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:57,500
getting out of that connection we can

748
00:30:03,340 --> 00:29:59,600
only listen to what they say but the

749
00:30:05,980 --> 00:30:03,350
fact C for people who don't believe you

750
00:30:07,299 --> 00:30:05,990
know like so many of the academics you

751
00:30:08,649 --> 00:30:07,309
know let's [\h__\h] it doesn't matter what

752
00:30:10,060 --> 00:30:08,659
people believe about the extended

753
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:10,070
consciousness room because the extent of

754
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:11,809
consciousness realm doesn't exist so

755
00:30:16,029 --> 00:30:13,490
it's all just crazy belief system it's

756
00:30:18,220 --> 00:30:16,039
why people believe weird things because

757
00:30:20,019 --> 00:30:18,230
they're locked in to their materialist

758
00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:20,029
paradigm their humanist materialist

759
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:21,830
atheist paradigm and they don't have to

760
00:30:25,299 --> 00:30:23,450
deal with any of this [\h__\h] but for

761
00:30:27,129 --> 00:30:25,309
people like you and I who acknowledge an

762
00:30:30,340 --> 00:30:27,139
extended consciousness realm when

763
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:30,350
somebody tells me yeah I'm I'm abusing

764
00:30:34,750 --> 00:30:32,110
these kids and let me tell you this

765
00:30:36,850 --> 00:30:34,760
spirit being this entity in the extended

766
00:30:39,070 --> 00:30:36,860
consciousness realm and he's really into

767
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:39,080
it too and he's bringing all this power

768
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:40,610
into the group and he's doing these

769
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:43,130
physical things and if I do this ritual

770
00:30:48,220 --> 00:30:45,200
in a certain way it brings even more

771
00:30:51,250 --> 00:30:48,230
power into me and that's my dial

772
00:30:53,260 --> 00:30:51,260
Lode he says that's my experience it's

773
00:30:55,900 --> 00:30:53,270
not just about me in this room it's

774
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:55,910
about me connecting with that extended

775
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:00,080
realm that is the lens grant that I

776
00:31:05,020 --> 00:31:02,720
would suggest catapults this into a

777
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:05,030
whole different way that we have to look

778
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:07,250
at it and understand it and let me jump

779
00:31:12,010 --> 00:31:09,049
in there with one more really important

780
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:12,020
point I have no idea how it works I

781
00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:14,450
don't understand the mind of God I don't

782
00:31:18,970 --> 00:31:16,760
have a map of extended consciousness

783
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:18,980
realms to be able to say this means this

784
00:31:25,570 --> 00:31:21,770
and this means that but that data does

785
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:25,580
compel me to consider this evil question

786
00:31:32,830 --> 00:31:29,360
much more interdimensionally than I

787
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:32,840
think most people are looking at it okay

788
00:31:37,450 --> 00:31:35,450
a lot of stuff I mean when it comes to

789
00:31:39,310 --> 00:31:37,460
extending human consciousness I would

790
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:39,320
maybe see a little bit different it's

791
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:41,809
all consciousness there is no us and

792
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:43,760
then extended consciousness it's all

793
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:45,530
just consciousness and it's the ability

794
00:31:50,260 --> 00:31:47,809
to get in to the consciousness by

795
00:31:52,210 --> 00:31:50,270
shutting down the left brain shutting

796
00:31:54,430 --> 00:31:52,220
down the rational analytical brain so

797
00:31:56,380 --> 00:31:54,440
it's hardest women I don't want to

798
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:56,390
interrupt you too much but see this is

799
00:32:01,270 --> 00:31:59,360
part of the discussion that hey I'm with

800
00:32:03,130 --> 00:32:01,280
you we can go to sea of consciousness

801
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:03,140
and we can just shut down and have the

802
00:32:08,140 --> 00:32:05,090
discussion but you just talked about 40

803
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:08,150
contact modalities that implicit in that

804
00:32:12,010 --> 00:32:10,490
is this idea that there is this extended

805
00:32:15,580 --> 00:32:12,020
consciousness room that we connect to

806
00:32:17,770 --> 00:32:15,590
and it's all of consciousness and that

807
00:32:19,659 --> 00:32:17,780
we use we shut down the left Russia

808
00:32:21,370 --> 00:32:19,669
little brain and we can pop in through

809
00:32:24,299 --> 00:32:21,380
these different modalities so you get

810
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:24,309
into the - the - this whole thing and

811
00:32:30,370 --> 00:32:27,200
the expression that that I've heard is

812
00:32:32,919 --> 00:32:30,380
if your higher self if you believe that

813
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:32,929
there's a devil and there's Satan your

814
00:32:36,490 --> 00:32:35,120
higher self will come as the devil

815
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:36,500
because if it comes as anything else

816
00:32:40,270 --> 00:32:38,210
you're not going to so whatever it is

817
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:40,280
you want to manifest in your little

818
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:42,559
consciousness realm you can manifest you

819
00:32:46,020 --> 00:32:44,330
can manifest good you can manifest evil

820
00:32:48,850 --> 00:32:46,030
there's an experiment that's done in the

821
00:32:50,860 --> 00:32:48,860
1970s in Toronto it's called a fillip

822
00:32:52,390 --> 00:32:50,870
experiment that where they create the

823
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:52,400
ghosts whether they actually create a

824
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:54,049
ghost and they make up this story about

825
00:32:57,610 --> 00:32:55,850
this ghost from the 16th century and

826
00:32:59,080 --> 00:32:57,620
then they start doing the meditation

827
00:33:00,640 --> 00:32:59,090
thing and they can't get it to work and

828
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:00,650
then they start going in to say on

829
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:02,090
saying and they actually pretty

830
00:33:06,490 --> 00:33:04,490
this ghost that actually responds and

831
00:33:09,060 --> 00:33:06,500
levitates tables and all bezel is star

832
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:09,070
stuff so what I would say is that

833
00:33:13,180 --> 00:33:11,510
everything that you do your manifesting

834
00:33:15,220 --> 00:33:13,190
and as much as we can build a building

835
00:33:16,990 --> 00:33:15,230
in the spiritual world and that anything

836
00:33:18,970 --> 00:33:17,000
that is negative there we have

837
00:33:19,570 --> 00:33:18,980
manifested we have created because it's

838
00:33:22,810 --> 00:33:19,580
just us

839
00:33:24,430 --> 00:33:22,820
there is just one there is just me there

840
00:33:25,870 --> 00:33:24,440
is not me and then extended

841
00:33:27,970 --> 00:33:25,880
consciousness it's just me and I

842
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,980
manifest and we have built these worlds

843
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:29,600
so if you commit suicide you're going to

844
00:33:34,269 --> 00:33:32,570
leave a very negative energy and my

845
00:33:36,190 --> 00:33:34,279
question to you is be do you think that

846
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:36,200
all these people who do these very evil

847
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:38,210
things at 5 years old have decided I

848
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:39,440
think I'm going to grow up and I'm gonna

849
00:33:42,909 --> 00:33:41,210
be a pedophile and I'm gonna molest

850
00:33:45,549 --> 00:33:42,919
little children and kill them and stuff

851
00:33:46,899 --> 00:33:45,559
like that people don't is the same as

852
00:33:48,399 --> 00:33:46,909
when I went to a homeless shelter I work

853
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:48,409
at a homeless shelter and they said take

854
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:50,840
a look these people did not decide to be

855
00:33:54,490 --> 00:33:52,730
here and homeless and I think you're

856
00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:54,500
just setting yourself up that you can go

857
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:56,809
to the world and you say Alex after your

858
00:34:00,519 --> 00:33:58,370
thing you had a real problem with these

859
00:34:02,139 --> 00:34:00,529
pedophiles maybe what you should do

860
00:34:03,340 --> 00:34:02,149
we're gonna send you back to be where

861
00:34:06,130 --> 00:34:03,350
these pedophiles you can have

862
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:06,140
understanding and then and understand

863
00:34:09,930 --> 00:34:07,850
why these people went down this road

864
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:09,940
because people go down also Thoreau's

865
00:34:14,829 --> 00:34:13,129
homelessness alcohol all sorts of things

866
00:34:17,770 --> 00:34:14,839
and nobody intends to do it it just

867
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:17,780
happens you're just saying things that

868
00:34:23,020 --> 00:34:20,450
kind of contradict each other I mean

869
00:34:24,730 --> 00:34:23,030
yeah you are cuz it's like on one hand

870
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:24,740
you're saying that you know none of

871
00:34:29,710 --> 00:34:27,169
these experiences really matter because

872
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:29,720
we manifest them all and we can manifest

873
00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:31,760
whatever we want and then you tell

874
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:35,089
stories which I mean look maybe that

875
00:34:39,339 --> 00:34:36,770
came out the wrong way is too negative

876
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:39,349
because this is all impossible I think

877
00:34:45,310 --> 00:34:42,530
in for us to fully understand or even

878
00:34:48,700 --> 00:34:45,320
partially understand with our limited

879
00:34:51,010 --> 00:34:48,710
brain I'm never gonna figure this out I

880
00:34:53,980 --> 00:34:51,020
don't know but like you know the story

881
00:34:56,109 --> 00:34:53,990
you told early on about the crystals and

882
00:35:00,430 --> 00:34:56,119
then you felt like there was some kind

883
00:35:03,310 --> 00:35:00,440
of confirmation in the 1988 UFO film

884
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:03,320
with Dodie in it and the crystal and you

885
00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:05,210
talked about that thing like it's real

886
00:35:10,060 --> 00:35:07,089
right I

887
00:35:12,970 --> 00:35:10,070
whywould but why do you feel like that's

888
00:35:15,380 --> 00:35:12,980
real and then all this other stuff is

889
00:35:17,660 --> 00:35:15,390
just manifestation you know I just

890
00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:17,670
listen to an interview I interviewed not

891
00:35:23,470 --> 00:35:21,510
too long ago Rob and Trish McGregor who

892
00:35:25,759 --> 00:35:23,480
are two really interesting people they

893
00:35:28,279 --> 00:35:25,769
fantastically successful authors written

894
00:35:30,980 --> 00:35:28,289
like a hundred books between him where I

895
00:35:33,170 --> 00:35:30,990
was written all the books for Lucas with

896
00:35:34,609 --> 00:35:33,180
the Star Wars books anyways he just

897
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:34,619
published this interview because in the

898
00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:35,970
interview I had with him he told me

899
00:35:42,410 --> 00:35:39,510
about this guy in Texas Wes Meeks this

900
00:35:45,019 --> 00:35:42,420
guy is a former police officer in Texas

901
00:35:47,690 --> 00:35:45,029
one of the people you kind of trust

902
00:35:49,250 --> 00:35:47,700
he's talks about incredible auto body

903
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,260
experiences and he talks about

904
00:35:53,269 --> 00:35:51,119
physically all the auto body things

905
00:35:55,309 --> 00:35:53,279
being out of body seeing things that are

906
00:35:57,019 --> 00:35:55,319
going on at a very young age being able

907
00:35:59,150 --> 00:35:57,029
to follow his brother as he went to the

908
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:59,160
bathroom at night and see him turn on

909
00:36:04,009 --> 00:36:01,200
the light you know and then later in

910
00:36:07,339 --> 00:36:04,019
life he has the auto body experiences he

911
00:36:09,980 --> 00:36:07,349
travels to the spiritual realm he sees

912
00:36:11,539 --> 00:36:09,990
the Akashic records now he sees the

913
00:36:14,029 --> 00:36:11,549
Akashic records different than I've

914
00:36:15,980 --> 00:36:14,039
heard anyone else see him different jars

915
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:15,990
and stuff like that he meets this woman

916
00:36:20,690 --> 00:36:18,720
this woman shave shifts and he has this

917
00:36:23,620 --> 00:36:20,700
incredible sexual experience with this

918
00:36:26,839 --> 00:36:23,630
woman I mean so that doesn't immediately

919
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:26,849
like throw this thing out the window but

920
00:36:30,620 --> 00:36:28,170
if you listen to the whole account

921
00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:30,630
you're like well that doesn't exactly

922
00:36:37,009 --> 00:36:33,569
jive with every other account I've heard

923
00:36:40,279 --> 00:36:37,019
of the Akashic records so you're kind of

924
00:36:42,019 --> 00:36:40,289
forced to to go go it good no because

925
00:36:44,569 --> 00:36:42,029
what you're doing is you're manifesting

926
00:36:46,460 --> 00:36:44,579
so all the accounts in the spirit world

927
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:46,470
are gonna have some variation because

928
00:36:50,180 --> 00:36:48,450
you're creating it it's not like we're

929
00:36:51,980 --> 00:36:50,190
here and then there's this spirit world

930
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:51,990
that has the stuff to of the contact

931
00:36:56,029 --> 00:36:53,730
modalities I do our number one lucid

932
00:36:58,039 --> 00:36:56,039
dreaming and I do the this psychedelic

933
00:37:00,289 --> 00:36:58,049
stuff with John Hopkins the psilocybin

934
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:00,299
stuff and they both say the same thing

935
00:37:04,549 --> 00:37:02,730
they both say that you are creating your

936
00:37:07,269 --> 00:37:04,559
manifesting in that world and that

937
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:07,279
things are all symbolic so in the in the

938
00:37:13,309 --> 00:37:11,130
thing with Donna Stanford with the lucid

939
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:13,319
dream stuff if you come up against the

940
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:16,079
evil alien or the evil devil and this is

941
00:37:21,140 --> 00:37:18,000
told quite clearly when you come up

942
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:21,150
against it if you go and you treat it

943
00:37:23,859 --> 00:37:22,380
with unconditional loving to give it a

944
00:37:26,059 --> 00:37:23,869
big hug and kiss it will turn into a

945
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,069
positive being and give you a positive

946
00:37:30,530 --> 00:37:28,800
message so it is all manifestation

947
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:30,540
when we go in when my friend goes into

948
00:37:34,490 --> 00:37:32,010
the spirit world with his mother that's

949
00:37:37,220 --> 00:37:34,500
all manifestation there is no there is

950
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:37,230
no physical things is there is no time

951
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:38,910
and space there's no physical thing it

952
00:37:42,980 --> 00:37:41,280
is all only stuff we are creating it all

953
00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:42,990
with our brain so when you go into the

954
00:37:46,250 --> 00:37:44,700
physical world all the accounts of the

955
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:46,260
Akashic records all the accounts are

956
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,370
gonna have some sort of variation

957
00:37:51,230 --> 00:37:49,440
because it's us that are manifesting

958
00:37:52,730 --> 00:37:51,240
even if you look at the Newton stuff

959
00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:52,740
when people know they hang on when

960
00:37:57,260 --> 00:37:55,110
people are Newton ask them the question

961
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:57,270
when you were in the spirit world and

962
00:38:02,750 --> 00:38:00,000
you meet somebody how do you know which

963
00:38:03,950 --> 00:38:02,760
body to present to that other person

964
00:38:05,630 --> 00:38:03,960
because you've lived a thousand

965
00:38:07,250 --> 00:38:05,640
different lives and he said it depends

966
00:38:09,740 --> 00:38:07,260
upon who I'm talking to

967
00:38:11,630 --> 00:38:09,750
I can screen as images whatever I want

968
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:11,640
based upon the life I had with that

969
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:13,920
person it's all manifestation it's all

970
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:16,110
Lily stuff it's all created there is no

971
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:18,210
out there world there is no spirit world

972
00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:20,880
it's all us creating this thing through

973
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:24,300
our our consciousness we are all one we

974
00:38:28,010 --> 00:38:26,010
come in we make the separation and we

975
00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:28,020
build this world based on a

976
00:38:30,380 --> 00:38:29,310
consciousness it's not like there's

977
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:30,390
consciousness and then there's the

978
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:31,920
spirit world and there's consciousness

979
00:38:35,180 --> 00:38:33,330
and there's a physical world it's all

980
00:38:38,210 --> 00:38:35,190
consciousness it's all created by

981
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:38,220
consciousness I'm with you to to a

982
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:47,630
it's oh well but but you are saying a

983
00:38:52,250 --> 00:38:49,530
minute ago about how the planet is

984
00:38:55,220 --> 00:38:52,260
doomed unless we get together and start

985
00:38:58,880 --> 00:38:55,230
hugging trees er not wrong by plastic

986
00:39:00,890 --> 00:38:58,890
bottles this is all manifested reality

987
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:00,900
why are you why do you feel so

988
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:02,970
comfortable making these judgments I've

989
00:39:08,180 --> 00:39:04,290
heard you make I heard you make

990
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:08,190
judgments that the the et is basically

991
00:39:24,110 --> 00:39:10,530
more liberal in their politics and

992
00:39:27,230 --> 00:39:24,120
conservative to say all the things that

993
00:39:30,770 --> 00:39:27,240
you're saying what yeah something that's

994
00:39:34,700 --> 00:39:30,780
capitalist about an alien look the whole

995
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:34,710
I could pick tons of cases Richard Doty

996
00:39:41,420 --> 00:39:38,910
who you cited him it ago is completely

997
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,430
entrenched in the in the machine

998
00:39:47,870 --> 00:39:43,920
in whatever the game is that's being

999
00:39:49,940 --> 00:39:47,880
played in terms of I mean you've got me

1000
00:39:52,490 --> 00:39:49,950
scrambling because it's just so obvious

1001
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:52,500
and apparent the the SIOP that's been

1002
00:39:57,620 --> 00:39:54,810
run and you've talked about in terms of

1003
00:40:00,350 --> 00:39:57,630
disclosure all those guys are not

1004
00:40:02,180 --> 00:40:00,360
playing the game that you're that you're

1005
00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:02,190
talking about they're they're playing a

1006
00:40:06,170 --> 00:40:03,510
different game they're playing the

1007
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:06,180
control game they're playing the the

1008
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:07,650
fear game they're playing to

1009
00:40:13,490 --> 00:40:10,250
disinformation the separation game

1010
00:40:15,770 --> 00:40:13,500
they're in separation they're in us

1011
00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:15,780
versus them were military there's bad

1012
00:40:19,220 --> 00:40:17,640
guys around the world and we need to

1013
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:19,230
develop this to create some weapons

1014
00:40:24,020 --> 00:40:22,170
there is a separation here against that

1015
00:40:25,820 --> 00:40:24,030
and you're saying here against that I'm

1016
00:40:27,380 --> 00:40:25,830
against separation absolutely I mean two

1017
00:40:30,140 --> 00:40:27,390
one against it then you're in the

1018
00:40:32,060 --> 00:40:30,150
duality my friend what am I in duality

1019
00:40:33,350 --> 00:40:32,070
you're in the duality I'll tell you a

1020
00:40:36,410 --> 00:40:33,360
story I heard that I thought was

1021
00:40:39,710 --> 00:40:36,420
extremely relevant to this and it's a

1022
00:40:42,890 --> 00:40:39,720
very touching story I heard it through

1023
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:42,900
that the Dalai Lama reports that when

1024
00:40:50,300 --> 00:40:47,010
the evil horrible Communist Chinese came

1025
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:50,310
in and over in Tibet and they did they

1026
00:40:56,570 --> 00:40:52,880
took this little country and they just

1027
00:40:59,150 --> 00:40:56,580
took it over right in the north yeah

1028
00:41:00,770 --> 00:40:59,160
yeah and then they dragged the monks out

1029
00:41:02,930 --> 00:41:00,780
in the street and they made him

1030
00:41:07,310 --> 00:41:02,940
fornicate in the street just to show hey

1031
00:41:10,610 --> 00:41:07,320
as we probably were atheists and and and

1032
00:41:13,850 --> 00:41:10,620
we want to show you how your beliefs

1033
00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:13,860
don't hold up to the barrel of a gun so

1034
00:41:21,070 --> 00:41:17,310
this one monk went through this horrible

1035
00:41:23,660 --> 00:41:21,080
experience and imprisonment with Chinese

1036
00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:23,670
the evil Chinese I'm gonna throw that in

1037
00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:25,260
just to kind of rally up a little bit

1038
00:41:33,740 --> 00:41:29,940
and then he comes back and he's

1039
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:33,750
recounting his things and he goes it it

1040
00:41:39,410 --> 00:41:36,480
was horrible I I experienced great great

1041
00:41:41,780 --> 00:41:39,420
great danger and they said wow you

1042
00:41:45,110 --> 00:41:41,790
really thought you're gonna die at some

1043
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:45,120
point and he said no I thought at some

1044
00:41:53,450 --> 00:41:49,680
point I would lose my compassion I would

1045
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:53,460
lose my ability to see that there is no

1046
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:54,770
separation

1047
00:42:01,120 --> 00:41:57,650
right so I would suggest to you that you

1048
00:42:04,030 --> 00:42:01,130
cannot at the same time oppose this

1049
00:42:06,820 --> 00:42:04,040
group or oppose this what you see is

1050
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:06,830
capitalistic or incite outside and then

1051
00:42:10,450 --> 00:42:08,720
say oh no cuz it's all about

1052
00:42:12,220 --> 00:42:10,460
consciousness and it's all about no

1053
00:42:17,410 --> 00:42:12,230
separation but I'm not being separate

1054
00:42:19,170 --> 00:42:17,420
I just know these everybody's gonna be

1055
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:19,180
the six six year old girl in a cage

1056
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:21,050
everybody's going to be floating around

1057
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:22,640
the Mediterranean learning to drown

1058
00:42:26,620 --> 00:42:24,560
everybody's going to wander the world we

1059
00:42:28,270 --> 00:42:26,630
don't get to be the rich guy in in

1060
00:42:30,310 --> 00:42:28,280
America every single time we don't get

1061
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:30,320
to be have the good life everybody's

1062
00:42:36,670 --> 00:42:31,760
going to get to play all the different

1063
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:36,680
roles so if that's final you don't know

1064
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:38,090
that and general I get what you're

1065
00:42:44,740 --> 00:42:41,330
saying but you the data doesn't like

1066
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:44,750
exactly conform to what you're saying

1067
00:42:49,570 --> 00:42:48,170
I already told you how you're

1068
00:42:52,510 --> 00:42:49,580
misinterpreting the Newton data and the

1069
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:52,520
Newton data is all about making good

1070
00:42:59,220 --> 00:42:56,720
choices so that you can somehow that

1071
00:43:03,520 --> 00:42:59,230
there is an active process of

1072
00:43:06,370 --> 00:43:03,530
transmuting this evil if you will that

1073
00:43:09,820 --> 00:43:06,380
it is our job operation in this soul

1074
00:43:11,380 --> 00:43:09,830
journey to do better we didn't just we

1075
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:11,390
don't just like you're saying yeah well

1076
00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:12,890
you're gonna come back as a pedophile on

1077
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:15,110
your and experience that no when you

1078
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:16,850
come back as a pedophile

1079
00:43:22,750 --> 00:43:19,520
I would suggest my read of the Newton

1080
00:43:26,290 --> 00:43:22,760
data is you do what the person who

1081
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:26,300
rescued Annika Lukas out of certain

1082
00:43:32,260 --> 00:43:29,690
murder did and that's that that person

1083
00:43:34,030 --> 00:43:32,270
rescued her rescued that ten-year-old

1084
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:34,040
girl who was going to be killed because

1085
00:43:39,250 --> 00:43:37,040
they had used her to the extent that

1086
00:43:42,730 --> 00:43:39,260
they didn't want her to escape and

1087
00:43:46,060 --> 00:43:42,740
reveal their satanic ritual abuse plot

1088
00:43:47,950 --> 00:43:46,070
and you know he was a perpetrator he

1089
00:43:50,190 --> 00:43:47,960
pulled her out of that horror he paid

1090
00:43:55,410 --> 00:43:50,200
for it with his life he was later killed

1091
00:43:59,170 --> 00:43:55,420
but he did in that act something that

1092
00:44:03,220 --> 00:43:59,180
propelled his soul forward so there is

1093
00:44:06,220 --> 00:44:03,230
good there is evil there is choice and

1094
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:06,230
we make those choices all the time and

1095
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:08,170
to diminish

1096
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:11,200
or to not see that is the miss the whole

1097
00:44:15,450 --> 00:44:13,450
point of the thing the whole point is

1098
00:44:17,819 --> 00:44:15,460
oneness versus separation that when you

1099
00:44:19,770 --> 00:44:17,829
believe in separation you will do evil

1100
00:44:22,140 --> 00:44:19,780
and if you want to get rid of the evil

1101
00:44:24,210 --> 00:44:22,150
you have to go to oneness if you believe

1102
00:44:25,859 --> 00:44:24,220
that you and I are actually the same

1103
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:25,869
person when I look in your eyes I'm

1104
00:44:29,609 --> 00:44:27,010
looking in my own eyes

1105
00:44:31,470 --> 00:44:29,619
then how can you do evil how can I kill

1106
00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:31,480
you how can I do whatever it's the

1107
00:44:36,180 --> 00:44:33,730
belief in separation that these people

1108
00:44:37,890 --> 00:44:36,190
are objects that whether it's the

1109
00:44:39,870 --> 00:44:37,900
Communist Chinese whether it's Richard

1110
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:39,880
Doty everybody's into their thing of

1111
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:42,400
separation where it's me versus the the

1112
00:44:47,789 --> 00:44:45,040
the people outside the country or I need

1113
00:44:49,650 --> 00:44:47,799
more stuff and it's always separation

1114
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:49,660
that is the thing and all evil I

1115
00:44:54,329 --> 00:44:52,569
maintain will disappear if you suddenly

1116
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:54,339
realize that everything is separate

1117
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:56,170
everything is a lot everything's one

1118
00:45:00,180 --> 00:44:58,240
almost like Jill Bolte Taylor said I'm

1119
00:45:02,940 --> 00:45:00,190
one with the universe there I'm not an

1120
00:45:04,319 --> 00:45:02,950
individual that was an illusion once you

1121
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:04,329
realize that you're part of the universe

1122
00:45:08,190 --> 00:45:06,970
then you become like the Italians where

1123
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:08,200
you're sitting there singing and you're

1124
00:45:11,819 --> 00:45:10,000
trying to survive together and it brings

1125
00:45:13,890 --> 00:45:11,829
people together when you believe that

1126
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:13,900
you're separate and that I am better

1127
00:45:18,780 --> 00:45:17,290
than you and I'm special then that's

1128
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:18,790
when evil takes place because we start

1129
00:45:25,380 --> 00:45:21,250
treating people like like objects and we

1130
00:45:27,870 --> 00:45:25,390
move away separation is the basic the

1131
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:27,880
mistaken belief in separation so even

1132
00:45:31,230 --> 00:45:29,920
though these people may believe in

1133
00:45:32,849 --> 00:45:31,240
separation it doesn't exist just because

1134
00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:32,859
people believe separation exists it

1135
00:45:38,250 --> 00:45:34,710
doesn't exist

1136
00:45:41,339 --> 00:45:38,260
yeah we're we just keep repeating

1137
00:45:43,170 --> 00:45:41,349
ourselves I guess I'll pull back to to

1138
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:43,180
one point to see if we can kind of nail

1139
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:44,890
this down and then we don't have to just

1140
00:45:49,260 --> 00:45:47,200
keep hammering on it but and and I have

1141
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:49,270
to again repeat that you know it's kind

1142
00:45:53,069 --> 00:45:51,010
of funny because it's ongoing dialogue

1143
00:45:56,549 --> 00:45:53,079
even if it looks like we are arguing a

1144
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:56,559
bit has moved me forward has propelled

1145
00:46:00,720 --> 00:45:58,210
me forward because what I think is

1146
00:46:02,789 --> 00:46:00,730
interesting about the satanic ritual

1147
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:02,799
abuse stuff is that it's a clear example

1148
00:46:09,780 --> 00:46:06,160
where evil is trying to connect with

1149
00:46:12,030 --> 00:46:09,790
evil in the extended consciousness realm

1150
00:46:15,210 --> 00:46:12,040
and I think unless we look at that

1151
00:46:19,530 --> 00:46:15,220
objectively and say oh okay that seems

1152
00:46:21,930 --> 00:46:19,540
to be highly suggestive of the idea that

1153
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:21,940
we have to resolve inside

1154
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:24,210
in my opinion we have to resolve

1155
00:46:31,020 --> 00:46:27,280
relative to the near-death experience

1156
00:46:33,329 --> 00:46:31,030
data and the afterlife or I'm sorry and

1157
00:46:37,290 --> 00:46:33,339
between lives Michael Newton data and

1158
00:46:41,460 --> 00:46:37,300
that is there seemed to be entities that

1159
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:41,470
are not actively trying to advance their

1160
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:44,770
soul in this kind of timeframe that

1161
00:46:52,319 --> 00:46:47,770
we're in there in that other realm and

1162
00:46:54,180 --> 00:46:52,329
it's a as below so above world where we

1163
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:54,190
all understand that we can look in this

1164
00:47:01,650 --> 00:46:57,520
world and see people who choose to do

1165
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:01,660
horrible things to each other and to

1166
00:47:06,359 --> 00:47:04,240
themselves but now I think we have to

1167
00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:06,369
face the evidence that somehow or

1168
00:47:12,690 --> 00:47:09,910
another in this extended realm which is

1169
00:47:17,309 --> 00:47:12,700
vast and multi-layered there seem to be

1170
00:47:19,230 --> 00:47:17,319
entities that are of that of that ilk

1171
00:47:21,690 --> 00:47:19,240
and we've seen them throughout history

1172
00:47:24,329 --> 00:47:21,700
and we don't really understand them I

1173
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:24,339
stand with you and that I don't think

1174
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:26,800
that is the that is the part of the

1175
00:47:31,290 --> 00:47:28,810
picture that we need to focus on and I

1176
00:47:34,020 --> 00:47:31,300
think we can transcend that I think we

1177
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:34,030
can transmute that I think we can we can

1178
00:47:38,430 --> 00:47:37,450
also actively include not include it as

1179
00:47:41,130 --> 00:47:38,440
part of our thing

1180
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:41,140
but I kind of hear a little bit of a

1181
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:43,839
denial that there is even that that

1182
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:47,440
reality there is no separation there are

1183
00:47:53,130 --> 00:47:51,730
no evil people out there who have that

1184
00:47:54,900 --> 00:47:53,140
are separate from the consciousness

1185
00:47:55,490 --> 00:47:54,910
there may be these out there they're

1186
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:55,500
demons

1187
00:48:00,839 --> 00:47:58,079
okay demon so there may be there may be

1188
00:48:03,390 --> 00:48:00,849
beings out there who like us have

1189
00:48:05,010 --> 00:48:03,400
believed in separation and people will

1190
00:48:07,050 --> 00:48:05,020
bring up the evil alien so I say okay

1191
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:07,060
evil aliens have they dropped an atomic

1192
00:48:11,370 --> 00:48:09,609
bomb yeah I mean if there are these evil

1193
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:11,380
aliens out there I mean have they done

1194
00:48:17,130 --> 00:48:13,599
this have they cremated in this the

1195
00:48:19,170 --> 00:48:17,140
firestorm of 1945 over Tokyo where we

1196
00:48:21,569 --> 00:48:19,180
dropped it on the civilian areas and we

1197
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:21,579
cremated eighty thousand people in two

1198
00:48:27,210 --> 00:48:25,569
nights alive civilians have they done

1199
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:27,220
anything like this yet so we can say oh

1200
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:29,770
they're bringing that up why do you keep

1201
00:48:33,420 --> 00:48:31,930
bringing that up as if that's because

1202
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:33,430
we're separating ourselves we're saying

1203
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:33,970
there see

1204
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:36,010
were the good guys we've done everything

1205
00:48:44,609 --> 00:48:43,020
nobody's good enough to go to heaven

1206
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:44,619
nobody's bad enough to go to hell we're

1207
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:46,450
all just floating around in between in

1208
00:48:50,910 --> 00:48:49,330
reincarnation learning lunch the Bible

1209
00:48:52,830 --> 00:48:50,920
says all have sinned and fallen short of

1210
00:48:54,660 --> 00:48:52,840
the glory God judge not that you be not

1211
00:48:56,609 --> 00:48:54,670
judged it goes over and over and over

1212
00:48:59,160 --> 00:48:56,619
you there is no separation there are

1213
00:49:00,089 --> 00:48:59,170
people who have gotten into the belief

1214
00:49:01,710 --> 00:49:00,099
of separation

1215
00:49:04,620 --> 00:49:01,720
that's where evil comes from end of

1216
00:49:10,770 --> 00:49:04,630
story yeah I always like when people say

1217
00:49:13,020 --> 00:49:10,780
end of story okay to you it's the bottom

1218
00:49:15,210 --> 00:49:13,030
line to me you can bring up pedophiles

1219
00:49:17,070 --> 00:49:15,220
I'll bring up fire bombings and atomic

1220
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:17,080
bombs and the things that we've got

1221
00:49:21,390 --> 00:49:19,090
we've got people in Guantanamo Bay 20

1222
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:21,400
years without trial and without charges

1223
00:49:25,230 --> 00:49:22,960
like we think we've got this thing

1224
00:49:26,820 --> 00:49:25,240
everybody has sinned and fallen short of

1225
00:49:28,170 --> 00:49:26,830
the glory and it all comes from the

1226
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:28,180
belief in separation when you believe

1227
00:49:32,490 --> 00:49:30,160
there are terrorists who do not do not

1228
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:32,500
have rights and you can treat them as

1229
00:49:37,710 --> 00:49:35,530
animals and as objects the belief in

1230
00:49:40,339 --> 00:49:37,720
separation I don't know your enemy your

1231
00:49:43,370 --> 00:49:40,349
enemy is you we are all the same thing I

1232
00:49:47,130 --> 00:49:43,380
don't think that but I don't understand

1233
00:49:50,690 --> 00:49:47,140
how you are so you feel so comfortable

1234
00:49:53,660 --> 00:49:50,700
making these discernments these

1235
00:49:56,849 --> 00:49:53,670
judgments but when other people make

1236
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:56,859
similar kind of judgments then you you

1237
00:50:01,650 --> 00:49:59,440
you immediately dismiss that but none of

1238
00:50:04,290 --> 00:50:01,660
that can possibly be important or

1239
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:04,300
meaningful those judgments because it's

1240
00:50:09,420 --> 00:50:06,400
all about this single issue of

1241
00:50:11,099 --> 00:50:09,430
separation the separation part as I

1242
00:50:14,089 --> 00:50:11,109
explained at the beginning we are in

1243
00:50:16,740 --> 00:50:14,099
sync if it is an ocean of consciousness

1244
00:50:19,230 --> 00:50:16,750
ultimately that's what the data comes

1245
00:50:24,329 --> 00:50:19,240
back and says what we're trying to

1246
00:50:27,390 --> 00:50:24,339
understand is the nature of all the

1247
00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:27,400
steps in between that ocean all the

1248
00:50:33,210 --> 00:50:30,310
waves all the foam on the sea all the

1249
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:33,220
deep waters of it and if you don't want

1250
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:35,410
to make those distinctions then don't

1251
00:50:40,980 --> 00:50:37,330
make them at all but I don't see how you

1252
00:50:42,930 --> 00:50:40,990
can you know want to make and hold on to

1253
00:50:44,940 --> 00:50:42,940
your distinctions about contact

1254
00:50:47,770 --> 00:50:44,950
modalities and about crystals that

1255
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:47,780
review lives but you're uncomfortable

1256
00:50:51,370 --> 00:50:49,760
with the distinctions that I'm making

1257
00:50:54,430 --> 00:50:51,380
that are drawn from a lot of the same

1258
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:54,440
data part of the download I got is there

1259
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:56,690
are no nouns as soon as you start saying

1260
00:51:00,040 --> 00:50:57,890
there's this there's that there's this

1261
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:00,050
that is scientific religious

1262
00:51:05,380 --> 00:51:02,240
superstition that is creating nouns

1263
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:05,390
there is only consciousness there is one

1264
00:51:11,170 --> 00:51:07,850
thing it's all consciousness and it will

1265
00:51:12,850 --> 00:51:11,180
all unravel at some point in in the

1266
00:51:15,580 --> 00:51:12,860
future everything is going to move

1267
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:15,590
towards the good everybody has just lost

1268
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:18,650
anybody who's doing evil is believing in

1269
00:51:22,540 --> 00:51:21,650
sin the separation and it that's the me

1270
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:22,550
it's the bottom line it's all

1271
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:24,650
consciousness there it's a verb there

1272
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:26,960
are no nouns when you start getting now

1273
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:29,450
and so you try to you know this person

1274
00:51:32,530 --> 00:51:31,010
that person this thing that thing it's

1275
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:32,540
all just it's all just a sea of

1276
00:51:36,820 --> 00:51:35,210
consciousness and we manifest in that

1277
00:51:39,100 --> 00:51:36,830
sea of consciousness and we can create

1278
00:51:41,470 --> 00:51:39,110
good things we can create bad things we

1279
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:41,480
are creating it all in consciousness and

1280
00:51:50,130 --> 00:51:44,000
the bad is created by the belief in

1281
00:51:55,210 --> 00:51:53,650
then how is the good created you know

1282
00:52:04,060 --> 00:51:55,220
one of the things there is no there is

1283
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:04,070
no superstitions all going to nouns

1284
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:07,010
there are no no it's just consciousness

1285
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:09,650
great you realize that one minute ago I

1286
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:12,050
can replay the tape they said there's

1287
00:52:22,930 --> 00:52:20,930
good and then there's bad and bad but

1288
00:52:25,060 --> 00:52:22,940
it's all still just energy it's all

1289
00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:25,070
still just consciousness be good and the

1290
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:27,110
bad is all created by consciousness

1291
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:29,570
there's no good and bad separate from

1292
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:31,760
consciousness it's all consciousness all

1293
00:52:36,220 --> 00:52:33,890
right we'll wrap this up but I want to

1294
00:52:39,220 --> 00:52:36,230
play one more clip for you because it's

1295
00:52:41,170 --> 00:52:39,230
a case that you are very have been very

1296
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:41,180
involved in and are very knowledgable of

1297
00:52:47,230 --> 00:52:45,200
and it's the crisp bledsoe story Richard

1298
00:52:51,220 --> 00:52:47,240
Dolan did an excellent series of

1299
00:52:53,740 --> 00:52:51,230
interviews with Chris here is a clip

1300
00:52:56,020 --> 00:52:53,750
from that and the church don't want to

1301
00:52:59,860 --> 00:52:56,030
believe it they think demonic the

1302
00:53:01,540 --> 00:52:59,870
Madonna UFO world rejected it because of

1303
00:53:05,290 --> 00:53:01,550
these individual

1304
00:53:08,290 --> 00:53:05,300
that were controlling the thing and here

1305
00:53:11,770 --> 00:53:08,300
I'm stuck and I've got these entities

1306
00:53:13,780 --> 00:53:11,780
telling me you gotta tell your story you

1307
00:53:16,060 --> 00:53:13,790
gotta tell your story they tell what you

1308
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:16,070
know and not told mudflow and I believe

1309
00:53:20,830 --> 00:53:18,050
there were angels I'll just put it right

1310
00:53:22,570 --> 00:53:20,840
out there and to do today I'm pretty

1311
00:53:25,090 --> 00:53:22,580
sure that's what we're experiencing

1312
00:53:29,980 --> 00:53:25,100
maybe I'm wrong but I don't think so

1313
00:53:33,790 --> 00:53:29,990
okay there it is so grant tell us

1314
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:33,800
because you have a history of being with

1315
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:36,890
Kris you guys have a friendship you are

1316
00:53:41,710 --> 00:53:39,680
a researcher of that case give people a

1317
00:53:45,010 --> 00:53:41,720
little background who he is and then

1318
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:45,020
your reputation of what he's saying okay

1319
00:53:49,450 --> 00:53:46,970
Kris that was a big-time business guy

1320
00:53:52,030 --> 00:53:49,460
Inca in North Carolina that his

1321
00:53:53,470 --> 00:53:52,040
experience in 2007 sort of an awakening

1322
00:53:55,900 --> 00:53:53,480
experience him and four other people

1323
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:55,910
including his son he sort of falls off

1324
00:53:59,530 --> 00:53:57,410
the edge of the earth he's very

1325
00:54:01,150 --> 00:53:59,540
depressed his wife tells him you're not

1326
00:54:03,220 --> 00:54:01,160
gonna talk about this to me you're not

1327
00:54:05,830 --> 00:54:03,230
talking to the kids about it he's in a

1328
00:54:07,690 --> 00:54:05,840
Southern Baptist Pentecostal area he

1329
00:54:10,450 --> 00:54:07,700
says basically nobody that he works for

1330
00:54:12,250 --> 00:54:10,460
will ever talk to him his in-laws have

1331
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:12,260
nothing to do with him and he basically

1332
00:54:15,820 --> 00:54:13,970
says for nine months in a room and

1333
00:54:19,210 --> 00:54:15,830
basically prays to God to take him away

1334
00:54:21,070 --> 00:54:19,220
that I can't take this and and then he

1335
00:54:23,230 --> 00:54:21,080
has an experience with what he called

1336
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:23,240
what he calls the Reba lady in light

1337
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:25,040
I call it the shining lady has like an

1338
00:54:29,380 --> 00:54:27,650
angelic type experience on almost

1339
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:29,390
exactly the same day when I have my

1340
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:32,090
download experience in 2012 he has this

1341
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:35,570
encounter with this shining lady and so

1342
00:54:41,020 --> 00:54:39,040
he interprets his experience based upon

1343
00:54:43,300 --> 00:54:41,030
biblical stuff which I would tend to

1344
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:43,310
agree and he basically is pointing out

1345
00:54:48,490 --> 00:54:45,200
the fact that he believes it's a

1346
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:48,500
positive phenomena it's he's relating it

1347
00:54:52,780 --> 00:54:50,690
back to a religious interpretation based

1348
00:54:55,090 --> 00:54:52,790
upon this woman that it's angelic but

1349
00:54:56,770 --> 00:54:55,100
he's basically seeing it as a positive

1350
00:54:58,450 --> 00:54:56,780
experience and there was some some weird

1351
00:55:00,580 --> 00:54:58,460
things that happened with him and me

1352
00:55:03,220 --> 00:55:00,590
with this dog bizarre thing with the dog

1353
00:55:04,810 --> 00:55:03,230
bleeding and stuff I got so some of the

1354
00:55:06,820 --> 00:55:04,820
stuff could be interpreted as kind of

1355
00:55:08,590 --> 00:55:06,830
negative stuff but he basically looks at

1356
00:55:10,780 --> 00:55:08,600
it as an angelic experience and he's

1357
00:55:14,220 --> 00:55:10,790
here like a messiah to deliver a message

1358
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:14,230
to the world let's add a couple other

1359
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:16,090
interesting points here one and you

1360
00:55:18,260 --> 00:55:17,410
covered this but you kind of went over

1361
00:55:21,450 --> 00:55:18,270
it quickly

1362
00:55:24,180 --> 00:55:21,460
Chris's experience has multiple

1363
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:24,190
witnesses he didn't just experience this

1364
00:55:30,510 --> 00:55:27,609
once and he didn't just experience this

1365
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:30,520
all by himself so that's significant

1366
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:33,450
he's invited a number of very

1367
00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:36,640
respectable researchers including

1368
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,730
yourself to investigate this with him

1369
00:55:43,530 --> 00:55:41,440
and they've all kind of come to the same

1370
00:55:47,790 --> 00:55:43,540
conclusion this is an outstanding case

1371
00:55:50,070 --> 00:55:47,800
in terms of evidential value he's a guy

1372
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:50,080
that we would call like a high-level

1373
00:55:55,170 --> 00:55:52,810
contactee and so what has happened is he

1374
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:55,180
has been contacted by a whole series of

1375
00:55:59,160 --> 00:55:57,490
people trying to find out why have you

1376
00:56:02,520 --> 00:55:59,170
got this contact who are you talking to

1377
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:02,530
and these include people like Jim semi

1378
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:06,640
man who was a top guy inside the CIA I

1379
00:56:11,220 --> 00:56:09,040
think Ron covert ops for two years and

1380
00:56:14,099 --> 00:56:11,230
Jim sent me van had the beings in his

1381
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:14,109
room as well and so he went to Chris to

1382
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:15,970
try to find out you know who is he

1383
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:17,650
dealing with what's going on here and

1384
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:19,810
he's had even he showed me at one point

1385
00:56:24,570 --> 00:56:22,570
to show you how high level these people

1386
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:24,580
may be who are trying to tap into Chris

1387
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:26,530
to figure it out because that's what how

1388
00:56:30,180 --> 00:56:27,970
that's my impression this the government

1389
00:56:31,740 --> 00:56:30,190
may have Crash's material they may have

1390
00:56:32,670 --> 00:56:31,750
bodies but they have no idea what's

1391
00:56:34,349 --> 00:56:32,680
going on because it's got to it's

1392
00:56:36,900 --> 00:56:34,359
consciousness it's way above their pay

1393
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:36,910
grade and so he showed me at one point a

1394
00:56:42,030 --> 00:56:40,090
medal that he had gotten and I said to

1395
00:56:43,770 --> 00:56:42,040
him I said well what's this medal would

1396
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:43,780
you get this medallion from and he said

1397
00:56:47,010 --> 00:56:45,130
I can't tell I could just tell you where

1398
00:56:49,170 --> 00:56:47,020
it came from and he flips the screen on

1399
00:56:51,780 --> 00:56:49,180
his cell phone and it's a it's a mailing

1400
00:56:53,970 --> 00:56:51,790
M but with from Camp David and then he

1401
00:56:56,130 --> 00:56:53,980
shows me he talks about healing people

1402
00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:56,140
and you'll see that with the UFO

1403
00:57:00,120 --> 00:56:58,330
experiences 50% of all experiences claim

1404
00:57:02,250 --> 00:57:00,130
that they were healed or that they can

1405
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:02,260
heal other people Chris is by far and

1406
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:04,210
away one of the best sort of known

1407
00:57:08,310 --> 00:57:06,010
healers there was people sending him

1408
00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:08,320
clothes and he became sort of very

1409
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:10,510
famous for this ability to heal and he

1410
00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:13,119
has he has almost constant contact he

1411
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:15,730
can you can go to his place and he will

1412
00:57:20,190 --> 00:57:18,010
call him in and they will appear and

1413
00:57:21,540 --> 00:57:20,200
that's why the governments in the

1414
00:57:23,099 --> 00:57:21,550
military and all these people have so

1415
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:23,109
much interest in him is they're trying

1416
00:57:27,420 --> 00:57:24,850
to figure out what's different with this

1417
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:27,430
guy how is he able to make contact and

1418
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:27,970
who

1419
00:57:33,359 --> 00:57:31,359
dealing with what are your answer to

1420
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:33,369
that question because in some ways that

1421
00:57:38,430 --> 00:57:35,200
does seem to fly in the face of your

1422
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:38,440
it's only about separation kind of thing

1423
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:40,570
we now have all these different actors

1424
00:57:46,109 --> 00:57:43,210
and players involved and you're kind of

1425
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,119
saying good and evil and angels and

1426
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:48,640
healing and all that stuff and that we

1427
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:50,890
can also in Chris's story also includes

1428
00:57:57,180 --> 00:57:54,880
the kind of nefarious not-so-nice I mean

1429
00:58:00,000 --> 00:57:57,190
he really gets raked over the coals by

1430
00:58:01,620 --> 00:58:00,010
MUFON he it's a highly deceptive

1431
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:01,630
practice that they used to try and

1432
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:03,760
discredit him there's some other players

1433
00:58:09,930 --> 00:58:06,640
involved here that are clearly opposing

1434
00:58:12,510 --> 00:58:09,940
what he's doing so you can make of that

1435
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:12,520
what you may but that's the part of the

1436
00:58:17,099 --> 00:58:14,890
story as well well all the human figures

1437
00:58:19,770 --> 00:58:17,109
are in separation so whatever their

1438
00:58:21,839 --> 00:58:19,780
thing is there MUFON is into getting

1439
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:21,849
technology they're into he's a bad guy

1440
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:24,250
he failed a lie-detector test the

1441
00:58:28,589 --> 00:58:26,530
government is in - same thing these

1442
00:58:31,230 --> 00:58:28,599
could be evil aliens they could be here

1443
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:31,240
to eat us or whatever and so they're

1444
00:58:34,170 --> 00:58:32,770
looking and everybody's playing their

1445
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:34,180
own little thing based upon separation

1446
00:58:39,390 --> 00:58:37,210
but it it comes down to what did he

1447
00:58:41,370 --> 00:58:39,400
experience and his experience was a

1448
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:41,380
positive experience he believed that

1449
00:58:46,349 --> 00:58:43,330
these these beings are here to help them

1450
00:58:49,260 --> 00:58:46,359
and I basically will say that his

1451
00:58:51,180 --> 00:58:49,270
interpretation of what he sees will be

1452
00:58:53,010 --> 00:58:51,190
based upon his manifestations so because

1453
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:53,020
he has a religious background he's gonna

1454
00:58:57,060 --> 00:58:55,690
see it in terms of a religious figure it

1455
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:57,070
doesn't mean that it's not true but he

1456
00:59:01,140 --> 00:58:59,440
is picking up out of the field he's been

1457
00:59:03,390 --> 00:59:01,150
able to get in the field one of the

1458
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:03,400
better to be able to bypass the noise

1459
00:59:08,250 --> 00:59:05,290
and the left brain get into the field

1460
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:08,260
and he has a positive view of it but the

1461
00:59:12,030 --> 00:59:09,730
people outside him whether it's the

1462
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:12,040
government or where this MUFON or people

1463
00:59:15,359 --> 00:59:13,690
he knows everybody's doing their own

1464
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:15,369
little thing like the same as the church

1465
00:59:19,140 --> 00:59:17,410
they had separation I mean he's dealing

1466
00:59:20,460 --> 00:59:19,150
with the devil and he gots he was a he

1467
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:20,470
was a deacon in the Pentecostal church

1468
00:59:23,250 --> 00:59:21,970
and they threw him out because you're

1469
00:59:25,079 --> 00:59:23,260
dealing with the devil you are on the

1470
00:59:27,329 --> 00:59:25,089
other side and this is good versus bad

1471
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:27,339
and what about the people he's healing

1472
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:30,130
grant are they in separation well sure

1473
00:59:33,210 --> 00:59:31,210
they're in separation everything

1474
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:33,220
separation but the people come forward

1475
00:59:37,500 --> 00:59:35,170
how is that evening a meaningful term

1476
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:37,510
anymore grant when you're you went on

1477
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:38,890
one hand you seem to be making a

1478
00:59:44,250 --> 00:59:41,410
distinction about how these

1479
00:59:45,780 --> 00:59:44,260
evil Pentecostals threw him out because

1480
00:59:48,180 --> 00:59:45,790
they thought it was all satanic and

1481
00:59:50,610 --> 00:59:48,190
their navigation Bible but he has other

1482
00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:50,620
people that he's that he's healing and

1483
00:59:54,860 --> 00:59:52,510
he's doing good I mean you you do

1484
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:54,870
anyways you're kind of saying it both

1485
00:59:58,500 --> 00:59:57,370
because a person gets healed doesn't

1486
01:00:00,480 --> 00:59:58,510
mean they're a good person or a bad

1487
01:00:06,780 --> 01:00:00,490
person just a person they get healed if

1488
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:06,790
you go to process the healing processes

1489
01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:10,090
is the Bankston healing method Bankston

1490
01:00:15,090 --> 01:00:12,640
runs the the academy of scientific

1491
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:15,100
exploration or inspiration I went to

1492
01:00:18,540 --> 01:00:16,570
Chicago to be trained on this healing

1493
01:00:20,790 --> 01:00:18,550
thing and what Bankston says is they do

1494
01:00:22,410 --> 01:00:20,800
this rapid image cycling which we UFO

1495
01:00:25,980 --> 01:00:22,420
experiences report as well it was

1496
01:00:27,810 --> 01:00:25,990
reported in the 1994 school case where

1497
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:27,820
they see these images and what banks

1498
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:29,890
that teaches you to do is to flip these

1499
01:00:33,570 --> 01:00:32,290
ego images in your brain you get 20 of

1500
01:00:35,070 --> 01:00:33,580
them you flip them and they teach you

1501
01:00:37,020 --> 01:00:35,080
how to flip these things at a thousand

1502
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:37,030
or two thousand a second and they teach

1503
01:00:41,250 --> 01:00:39,040
it and what it does is it shuts the left

1504
01:00:43,050 --> 01:00:41,260
brain down because the ego this is how

1505
01:00:43,710 --> 01:00:43,060
it works listen you're laughing but this

1506
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:43,720
is how it works

1507
01:00:48,180 --> 01:00:45,850
Bankston says nobody is doing the

1508
01:00:50,070 --> 01:00:48,190
healing wood this process what it is is

1509
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:50,080
to get the healer out of the way and

1510
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:52,090
once the ego the healer gets out of the

1511
01:00:56,910 --> 01:00:54,160
way the left brain gets shut down then

1512
01:00:58,050 --> 01:00:56,920
the the the the energy flows and the

1513
01:00:59,970 --> 01:00:58,060
healing takes place but it has nothing

1514
01:01:02,280 --> 01:00:59,980
to do with people are good people are

1515
01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:02,290
bad people there are methods of healing

1516
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:04,480
and it has to do with some people can do

1517
01:01:07,860 --> 01:01:06,250
it and it has to do with getting the

1518
01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:07,870
healer out of the way and allowing the

1519
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:16,510
energy to come through I don't see what

1520
01:01:20,220 --> 01:01:17,650
you're I don't see what you're trying to

1521
01:01:21,630 --> 01:01:20,230
get out I mean you know like you know

1522
01:01:23,970 --> 01:01:21,640
because he heals somebody then there's a

1523
01:01:25,740 --> 01:01:23,980
bad guy and there's a good guy and it's

1524
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:25,750
just it's like crazy stuff I mean it's

1525
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:27,250
like we're into this thing where power

1526
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:30,130
do you keep saying you keep you keep

1527
01:01:35,550 --> 01:01:32,890
your story suggest that there's an

1528
01:01:38,490 --> 01:01:35,560
element of good to some of these things

1529
01:01:40,170 --> 01:01:38,500
in your story also and then and that you

1530
01:01:41,940 --> 01:01:40,180
have this like think built-in where as

1531
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:41,950
soon as you say that then when I point

1532
01:01:46,590 --> 01:01:43,810
out that you're kind of saying hey he

1533
01:01:48,030 --> 01:01:46,600
had he sees it as an angelic experient

1534
01:01:50,310 --> 01:01:48,040
he sees it as a positive experience

1535
01:01:52,530 --> 01:01:50,320
that's his report that there is good and

1536
01:01:54,330 --> 01:01:52,540
that he should move towards the light

1537
01:01:56,370 --> 01:01:54,340
and all this then it's like well that's

1538
01:01:59,620 --> 01:01:56,380
just his interpretation

1539
01:02:02,589 --> 01:01:59,630
interpretation everything every is

1540
01:02:06,460 --> 01:02:02,599
everybody's interpretation like you were

1541
01:02:08,049 --> 01:02:06,470
quoting me raise survey right she made a

1542
01:02:10,269 --> 01:02:08,059
big deal out of only nine percent

1543
01:02:12,339 --> 01:02:10,279
thought it was evil that doesn't mean

1544
01:02:15,249 --> 01:02:12,349
anything based on what you're saying if

1545
01:02:17,109 --> 01:02:15,259
you want to go with stats then we then

1546
01:02:18,730 --> 01:02:17,119
let's look at the stats and let's look

1547
01:02:21,519 --> 01:02:18,740
at Jeff Long's

1548
01:02:24,940 --> 01:02:21,529
stats and he says it like in the 90

1549
01:02:27,579 --> 01:02:24,950
percent that people believe from their

1550
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:27,589
experience directly from experience that

1551
01:02:31,809 --> 01:02:29,930
there is God as we would understand it

1552
01:02:34,569 --> 01:02:31,819
there's a hierarchy of consciousness

1553
01:02:37,390 --> 01:02:34,579
there is a moral imperative that's a 90

1554
01:02:39,700 --> 01:02:37,400
percent or grant so you can say you

1555
01:02:42,730 --> 01:02:39,710
don't believe that's just separation you

1556
01:02:45,299 --> 01:02:42,740
can just shut me down but that's the day

1557
01:02:47,529 --> 01:02:45,309
that we have so you can just say well

1558
01:02:48,730 --> 01:02:47,539
consciousness there's no separate

1559
01:02:50,380 --> 01:02:48,740
there's nothing separate from

1560
01:02:52,890 --> 01:02:50,390
consciousness when you get the data

1561
01:02:55,359 --> 01:02:52,900
suggest otherwise the data suggest other

1562
01:02:57,309 --> 01:02:55,369
body experience you have moved into a

1563
01:02:58,960 --> 01:02:57,319
contact modality the same as you do with

1564
01:03:01,839 --> 01:02:58,970
healing that you've gotten into the

1565
01:03:04,599 --> 01:03:01,849
field yeah but you say great you know

1566
01:03:06,430 --> 01:03:04,609
that we're just looking why were you why

1567
01:03:08,829 --> 01:03:06,440
were you comfortable reporting raised

1568
01:03:13,089 --> 01:03:08,839
data and you want to shout me down when

1569
01:03:15,549 --> 01:03:13,099
I report you Jeff Long's the modern view

1570
01:03:17,349 --> 01:03:15,559
of UFOs is they're evil aliens and when

1571
01:03:18,849 --> 01:03:17,359
you actually talk to the experiences

1572
01:03:21,009 --> 01:03:18,859
which is what I see you have to do

1573
01:03:22,779 --> 01:03:21,019
you've got to talk to the people who are

1574
01:03:24,759 --> 01:03:22,789
interacting with the phenomena and

1575
01:03:26,739 --> 01:03:24,769
listen to what they're saying and that

1576
01:03:28,839 --> 01:03:26,749
when you look at the data the idea that

1577
01:03:31,839 --> 01:03:28,849
there are evil aliens is total nonsense

1578
01:03:35,410 --> 01:03:31,849
we're not arguing that we're arguing

1579
01:03:37,660 --> 01:03:35,420
whether there is anything at all like

1580
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:37,670
evil do you see there's a difference

1581
01:03:43,630 --> 01:03:40,130
between saying what percentage of the

1582
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:43,640
aliens are evil and saying is there such

1583
01:03:50,259 --> 01:03:48,650
a thing as evil and whatever to you what

1584
01:03:53,259 --> 01:03:50,269
I'm reporting to you and you haven't

1585
01:03:57,069 --> 01:03:53,269
really directly responded to is Jeff

1586
01:03:59,259 --> 01:03:57,079
long data most recent best-selling New

1587
01:04:00,609 --> 01:03:59,269
York Times best-selling book he's a guy

1588
01:04:03,609 --> 01:04:00,619
who's just following the data

1589
01:04:07,839 --> 01:04:03,619
he says hierarchy of consciousness yes

1590
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:07,849
god yes moral imperative yes at a super

1591
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:09,170
high percentage like

1592
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:13,130
90% so how do you counter that data

1593
01:04:18,130 --> 01:04:15,890
other than just to say no no no I don't

1594
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:18,140
say no no no I say that when you go into

1595
01:04:22,569 --> 01:04:19,730
an auto body experience and you have

1596
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:22,579
your your your situation or you have you

1597
01:04:27,730 --> 01:04:25,730
have a the life review when you die in

1598
01:04:30,730 --> 01:04:27,740
the Newton at work which is 35,000

1599
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:30,740
regressions then it's basically the fact

1600
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:32,690
that people judge themselves and you

1601
01:04:35,980 --> 01:04:34,250
realize I could have done this better I

1602
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:35,990
could have done that better and but it

1603
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:37,520
all still comes down to the belief in

1604
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:39,170
separation that you when you believe

1605
01:04:43,630 --> 01:04:41,210
that you're separate then you you make

1606
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:43,640
these you say that that's not jeff

1607
01:04:48,730 --> 01:04:45,770
long's finding jeff long's finding

1608
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:48,740
doesn't contradict that directly but

1609
01:04:53,980 --> 01:04:51,530
that is not his finding his finding is

1610
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:53,990
God as we would and that's an

1611
01:04:59,140 --> 01:04:56,480
uncomfortable word but it's the best

1612
01:05:02,460 --> 01:04:59,150
kind of colloquial phrase we can use

1613
01:05:05,289 --> 01:05:02,470
they come back and report hierarchy of

1614
01:05:09,220 --> 01:05:05,299
consciousness beings that they

1615
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:09,230
understand at the time to be if you will

1616
01:05:13,990 --> 01:05:11,690
somewhat further on the path somewhat

1617
01:05:21,220 --> 01:05:14,000
higher that's the finding grant so you

1618
01:05:23,980 --> 01:05:21,230
can sweep that under the rug inside have

1619
01:05:27,370 --> 01:05:23,990
the different levels of beings that

1620
01:05:29,710 --> 01:05:27,380
based upon their knowledge of separation

1621
01:05:31,270 --> 01:05:29,720
and under and and and oneness and that

1622
01:05:32,650 --> 01:05:31,280
it goes by color so it's the white color

1623
01:05:34,839 --> 01:05:32,660
and it goes up to yellow and then it

1624
01:05:37,569 --> 01:05:34,849
goes to blue and then it goes to to mow

1625
01:05:39,460 --> 01:05:37,579
the colors of the the higher spiritual

1626
01:05:41,950 --> 01:05:39,470
beings yes that's all true but it

1627
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:41,960
doesn't mean that there are that they

1628
01:05:45,730 --> 01:05:44,210
same came out of somewhere they all went

1629
01:05:47,530 --> 01:05:45,740
through the same process that you and I

1630
01:05:49,750 --> 01:05:47,540
will go through that process and we can

1631
01:05:51,430 --> 01:05:49,760
elevate ourselves in the spiritual world

1632
01:05:53,890 --> 01:05:51,440
but it's all done by one thing

1633
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:53,900
separation and oneness that if you do

1634
01:05:57,010 --> 01:05:55,250
separation you're going to move down the

1635
01:05:58,180 --> 01:05:57,020
scale and if you do oneness you're gonna

1636
01:06:00,549 --> 01:05:58,190
move up the scale and you're going to

1637
01:06:02,799 --> 01:06:00,559
move towards and the idea of God is just

1638
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:02,809
a noun it's all consciousness there is

1639
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:05,210
only one thing call it whatever you want

1640
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:08,000
it is consciousness I just disagree with

1641
01:06:11,859 --> 01:06:09,890
this names and this is good and bad

1642
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:11,869
these and that and it's it's all

1643
01:06:15,730 --> 01:06:14,450
manifestations do you see that in in the

1644
01:06:17,500 --> 01:06:15,740
near-death experiences you see that in

1645
01:06:19,220 --> 01:06:17,510
the lucid dreaming where you can

1646
01:06:22,010 --> 01:06:19,230
actually change the scene in the

1647
01:06:24,290 --> 01:06:22,020
dream and the and I go back to where I

1648
01:06:26,900 --> 01:06:24,300
started is when you do if you're gonna

1649
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:26,910
refer to near-death experiences

1650
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:28,290
you take the near-death experience and

1651
01:06:32,150 --> 01:06:30,570
you do the oneness you put it in a

1652
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:32,160
Google search that girl's video will

1653
01:06:37,460 --> 01:06:34,410
come up and she says her impression

1654
01:06:40,430 --> 01:06:37,470
based upon her experience was there are

1655
01:06:42,140 --> 01:06:40,440
no victims there are just volunteers and

1656
01:06:44,060 --> 01:06:42,150
I have talked to people who have had

1657
01:06:46,070 --> 01:06:44,070
that enough question than pathlength I

1658
01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:46,080
are you sure that's what you were told

1659
01:06:50,060 --> 01:06:47,609
and that's what happened you mentioned

1660
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:50,070
this girl in the in the the whole deal

1661
01:06:55,130 --> 01:06:53,130
with martinis video when she's in the in

1662
01:06:58,310 --> 01:06:55,140
the death camp she says I volunteered

1663
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:58,320
for that and and and martini looks over

1664
01:07:01,820 --> 01:07:00,240
the camera and he says that is the most

1665
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:01,830
inappropriate thing I've ever heard and

1666
01:07:06,620 --> 01:07:04,530
that's the whole idea is it random or

1667
01:07:08,510 --> 01:07:06,630
are is this just a big play where we

1668
01:07:09,140 --> 01:07:08,520
come in and you kill me this time and I

1669
01:07:10,970 --> 01:07:09,150
kill you

1670
01:07:12,980 --> 01:07:10,980
that really gets into Newton stuff which

1671
01:07:15,050 --> 01:07:12,990
is really out on the edge that people

1672
01:07:17,210 --> 01:07:15,060
really can't accept the fact that there

1673
01:07:18,500 --> 01:07:17,220
are no there are no victims we like to

1674
01:07:20,359 --> 01:07:18,510
be Jesus we'd like to get up on the

1675
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:20,369
cross and say oh we're being persecuted

1676
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:22,770
and my god everybody's against this and

1677
01:07:26,300 --> 01:07:24,810
and and basically we got to get off the

1678
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:26,310
cross they need the wood I mean it's

1679
01:07:30,590 --> 01:07:28,770
idea that we are victims once you take

1680
01:07:32,210 --> 01:07:30,600
responsibility whatever is happening if

1681
01:07:34,670 --> 01:07:32,220
you take responsibility for the fact

1682
01:07:36,099 --> 01:07:34,680
that you may have encountered you may

1683
01:07:39,170 --> 01:07:36,109
have brought these things into your life

1684
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:39,180
you will so you will start to advance as

1685
01:07:42,380 --> 01:07:40,890
long as you think you're a victim and

1686
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:42,390
that you're being abducted or the

1687
01:07:45,650 --> 01:07:44,010
government's after you or whatever you

1688
01:07:47,630 --> 01:07:45,660
are never going to resolve anything you

1689
01:07:50,540 --> 01:07:47,640
have to take responsibility for the fact

1690
01:07:52,580 --> 01:07:50,550
that maybe I put these things in my way

1691
01:07:54,830 --> 01:07:52,590
I put these stones in my path and that

1692
01:07:56,540 --> 01:07:54,840
everything that happens to me is going

1693
01:07:58,940 --> 01:07:56,550
to happen for reason because what you

1694
01:08:00,410 --> 01:07:58,950
basically is happening is we're playing

1695
01:08:02,030 --> 01:08:00,420
a game where we're sitting at the poker

1696
01:08:03,380 --> 01:08:02,040
table and the deer's they're dealing us

1697
01:08:04,790 --> 01:08:03,390
the cards and we can't take

1698
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:04,800
responsibility that we got to play the

1699
01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:06,240
cards were dealt we just sit there and

1700
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:07,920
we whine and complain and we want the

1701
01:08:11,540 --> 01:08:09,810
dealer to keep changing the deck don't

1702
01:08:13,550 --> 01:08:11,550
deal me bad cards just deal me good

1703
01:08:16,340 --> 01:08:13,560
cards we have to play the cards were

1704
01:08:19,579 --> 01:08:16,350
dealt and I say personal responsibility

1705
01:08:21,979 --> 01:08:19,589
I would ever happen to me I agree that I

1706
01:08:23,599 --> 01:08:21,989
put that in my past that I agreed to it

1707
01:08:28,010 --> 01:08:23,609
and I'm going to play it the best way I

1708
01:08:30,110 --> 01:08:28,020
can I almost feel like this is a good

1709
01:08:33,729 --> 01:08:30,120
place to end there's so many points to

1710
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:33,739
that that I agree with I just can't

1711
01:08:38,930 --> 01:08:36,330
get through to you and the points that I

1712
01:08:42,589 --> 01:08:38,940
guess I I mean we're just slicing the

1713
01:08:45,050 --> 01:08:42,599
same stuff a bunch of different ways I

1714
01:08:47,419 --> 01:08:45,060
don't disagree with personal

1715
01:08:48,829 --> 01:08:47,429
responsibility but you know all those

1716
01:08:51,050 --> 01:08:48,839
colors that you meant you'd say I will I

1717
01:08:54,289 --> 01:08:51,060
can't McCarran says although sometimes

1718
01:08:57,649 --> 01:08:54,299
you mentioned colors are nouns all right

1719
01:09:07,149 --> 01:08:57,659
so that's the white so people will

1720
01:09:11,959 --> 01:09:10,249
but you could give me all the cases and

1721
01:09:15,109 --> 01:09:11,969
I could we don't we don't disagree on

1722
01:09:18,109 --> 01:09:15,119
the cases go screaming there's no

1723
01:09:19,729 --> 01:09:18,119
physical this is not physical it's all

1724
01:09:21,769 --> 01:09:19,739
screen image when my father give you an

1725
01:09:24,890 --> 01:09:21,779
example my father was a very sort of

1726
01:09:28,220 --> 01:09:24,900
skeptical type guy two days before he

1727
01:09:29,660 --> 01:09:28,230
dies his father comes to see him now was

1728
01:09:30,919 --> 01:09:29,670
it his father that came to see him

1729
01:09:32,510 --> 01:09:30,929
because his father would lived a

1730
01:09:34,700 --> 01:09:32,520
thousand different lives and if it was

1731
01:09:36,769 --> 01:09:34,710
his father why did he come as his as my

1732
01:09:38,660 --> 01:09:36,779
grandfather because I had come as

1733
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:38,670
anything else he wouldn't my father

1734
01:09:41,930 --> 01:09:39,810
wouldn't know who he was it wouldn't

1735
01:09:43,999 --> 01:09:41,940
meant anything he screen imaged he came

1736
01:09:45,979 --> 01:09:44,009
across and I'll give you another example

1737
01:09:48,260 --> 01:09:45,989
sherry Wilder a few there reader she

1738
01:09:49,700 --> 01:09:48,270
goes on board the ship and she says she

1739
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:49,710
said has at fifteen years old she's on

1740
01:09:53,930 --> 01:09:51,690
board the ship and they bring out Albert

1741
01:09:55,370 --> 01:09:53,940
Einstein Albert Schweitzer and they

1742
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:55,380
bring out Tesla and they bring out a

1743
01:10:00,169 --> 01:09:57,210
bunch of famous people and of course I

1744
01:10:02,149 --> 01:10:00,179
said to her I said okay you saw these

1745
01:10:04,220 --> 01:10:02,159
people you talk to them and I said okay

1746
01:10:06,050 --> 01:10:04,230
were they physical were they physical

1747
01:10:07,330 --> 01:10:06,060
human and she says I know exactly where

1748
01:10:09,890 --> 01:10:07,340
you're going with it I'll tell you what

1749
01:10:12,169 --> 01:10:09,900
it may have been and it may have been a

1750
01:10:13,879 --> 01:10:12,179
hologram but they sure look real to me

1751
01:10:15,169 --> 01:10:13,889
so that's the question did Albert

1752
01:10:17,330 --> 01:10:15,179
Einstein actually come back into the

1753
01:10:20,359 --> 01:10:17,340
physical body and come on a ship or is

1754
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:20,369
this all screen imaging it's all early

1755
01:10:24,859 --> 01:10:22,650
stuff in the you learn that in the in

1756
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:24,869
the the lucid dream stuff when you go in

1757
01:10:27,379 --> 01:10:26,130
there and you can actually change the

1758
01:10:29,209 --> 01:10:27,389
characters you can actually move things

1759
01:10:31,970 --> 01:10:29,219
around and the lucid dream people will

1760
01:10:34,339 --> 01:10:31,980
say it's more real than the real world

1761
01:10:35,689 --> 01:10:34,349
which means this is the dream I know

1762
01:10:37,850 --> 01:10:35,699
I've heard all that stuff too but I've

1763
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:37,860
also heard of physical manifestations of

1764
01:10:43,729 --> 01:10:40,650
people that are as real as you and me so

1765
01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:43,739
there's all sorts of different okay

1766
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:48,450
or they just well screen image is a very

1767
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:50,880
kind of touchy kind of phrase especially

1768
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:52,800
when we get into this idea that it's all

1769
01:10:57,140 --> 01:10:54,960
consciousness that in somehow we're

1770
01:10:59,150 --> 01:10:57,150
co-creators of a reality that there's an

1771
01:11:01,010 --> 01:10:59,160
you know we started this we never even

1772
01:11:03,380 --> 01:11:01,020
got into it you know I interviewed do

1773
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:03,390
you know where is virk he has a book

1774
01:11:09,530 --> 01:11:05,850
called the simulation hypothesis yeah

1775
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:09,540
brilliant guy MIT compute computer game

1776
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:12,810
lab so he's like a super duper gaming

1777
01:11:20,150 --> 01:11:18,480
guy right you know it's an important

1778
01:11:21,740 --> 01:11:20,160
idea the idea of the of the and that's

1779
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:21,750
where we're going so when I start in

1780
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:24,570
2012 this was this was not really talked

1781
01:11:28,010 --> 01:11:26,010
about but now we're talking simulation

1782
01:11:29,090 --> 01:11:28,020
hypotheses we talk about the experiments

1783
01:11:30,620 --> 01:11:29,100
that are done with the kids that played

1784
01:11:31,970 --> 01:11:30,630
the gaming thing where they're in the

1785
01:11:34,100 --> 01:11:31,980
dream and suddenly they're being chased

1786
01:11:36,380 --> 01:11:34,110
by an evil whatever and they go oh

1787
01:11:38,209 --> 01:11:36,390
fantastic and they turn around and they

1788
01:11:40,970 --> 01:11:38,219
shoot them they think this is great and

1789
01:11:42,740 --> 01:11:40,980
it's all--it's it all goes to the thing

1790
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:42,750
that we're now starting to learn it may

1791
01:11:47,140 --> 01:11:45,090
all be just a giant hologram a giant

1792
01:11:49,790 --> 01:11:47,150
simulation it's all just a game

1793
01:11:51,470 --> 01:11:49,800
simulation of what how do you do with

1794
01:11:53,780 --> 01:11:51,480
the infinite regress the infinite

1795
01:11:56,209 --> 01:11:53,790
regress is when people say it's a

1796
01:11:58,340 --> 01:11:56,219
simulation it's a simulation of what

1797
01:12:00,530 --> 01:11:58,350
what is it simulating is there some

1798
01:12:08,810 --> 01:12:00,540
analogy that it's simulating and is that

1799
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:08,820
reality I'm saying that's the term

1800
01:12:12,830 --> 01:12:10,530
that's being used now and we're getting

1801
01:12:15,050 --> 01:12:12,840
closer to the idea that it's all just

1802
01:12:17,690 --> 01:12:15,060
early stuff it's all just an illusion

1803
01:12:19,820 --> 01:12:17,700
it's just it's like that the Maya stuff

1804
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:19,830
it's it's not really physical I get that

1805
01:12:23,959 --> 01:12:21,330
it is my and we've been talking about

1806
01:12:25,850 --> 01:12:23,969
that forever but then why do you tell

1807
01:12:28,340 --> 01:12:25,860
these stories why do I tell these

1808
01:12:31,810 --> 01:12:28,350
stories because they're meaningful to us

1809
01:12:32,930 --> 01:12:31,820
in some way in terms of navigating our

1810
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:32,940
experience

1811
01:12:36,650 --> 01:12:35,730
you can't just trounce all over

1812
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:36,660
everybody

1813
01:12:43,850 --> 01:12:41,730
but the story Alex know you don't know

1814
01:12:47,150 --> 01:12:43,860
if your stories and your interpretation

1815
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:47,160
of it are more valid than somebody

1816
01:12:53,380 --> 01:12:49,650
else's interpretation of it and to

1817
01:12:57,410 --> 01:12:53,390
reduce insisting that you will

1818
01:12:59,360 --> 01:12:57,420
arbitrarily at your given moment reduce

1819
01:13:02,090 --> 01:12:59,370
and everything down to its all

1820
01:13:05,900 --> 01:13:02,100
consciousness and therefore it's all

1821
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:05,910
separation that loses its meaning it

1822
01:13:11,660 --> 01:13:08,489
takes to the meaning out of out of a lot

1823
01:13:13,490 --> 01:13:11,670
of these stories so I just put it out

1824
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:13,500
there as a theory which is now starting

1825
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:15,449
to be validated you can even go back to

1826
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:16,290
the quantum physics

1827
01:13:19,970 --> 01:13:18,210
nothing gets behind consciousness all

1828
01:13:21,860 --> 01:13:19,980
these quantum physics guys seem to

1829
01:13:24,260 --> 01:13:21,870
realize that back in the day that

1830
01:13:26,419 --> 01:13:24,270
consciousness or John Wheeler it's a

1831
01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:26,429
participatory universe we're starting to

1832
01:13:30,380 --> 01:13:28,320
realize this is going to be the case it

1833
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:30,390
may not be right but more and more as I

1834
01:13:34,370 --> 01:13:32,370
go along there's more and more evidence

1835
01:13:36,919 --> 01:13:34,380
that validates that theory that it's

1836
01:13:38,689 --> 01:13:36,929
just all a big illusion is all just a

1837
01:13:41,540 --> 01:13:38,699
big thing there is no physical there are

1838
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:41,550
no nouns it's just us manifesting from

1839
01:13:47,060 --> 01:13:43,770
the one we are all the one final

1840
01:13:48,830 --> 01:13:47,070
question you just use the word us one of

1841
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:48,840
the problems I have with a lot of people

1842
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:51,050
who spin this stuff out there is

1843
01:13:59,000 --> 01:13:55,770
invariably our human consciousness works

1844
01:14:01,280 --> 01:13:59,010
its way into the center of the story we

1845
01:14:03,260 --> 01:14:01,290
kind of have this tendency to be kind of

1846
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:03,270
egocentric about things and it's about

1847
01:14:08,590 --> 01:14:05,850
our consciousness and how we manifest

1848
01:14:11,150 --> 01:14:08,600
and we bring these things into existence

1849
01:14:13,910 --> 01:14:11,160
doesn't that seem a little bit in this

1850
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:13,920
place in terms of that we have some

1851
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:16,050
special role to play in this and that

1852
01:14:22,250 --> 01:14:20,130
our consciousness is somehow special in

1853
01:14:24,500 --> 01:14:22,260
some way what do you think let me go

1854
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:24,510
back to Jill Bolte Taylor she said that

1855
01:14:29,060 --> 01:14:26,130
when she had the left brain hemorrhage

1856
01:14:32,300 --> 01:14:29,070
and when her left brain went offline

1857
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:32,310
she realized I am NOT an individual that

1858
01:14:35,810 --> 01:14:35,250
is an illusion I am one with the

1859
01:14:39,979 --> 01:14:35,820
universe

1860
01:14:41,689 --> 01:14:39,989
there is just one yeah okay keep going

1861
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:41,699
will you keep using the term us do you

1862
01:14:46,750 --> 01:14:43,440
believe oh I get a real specific

1863
01:14:51,650 --> 01:14:46,760
question do you believe that our

1864
01:14:55,580 --> 01:14:51,660
manifestation of consciousness is

1865
01:15:00,020 --> 01:14:55,590
somehow special unique different then

1866
01:15:03,979 --> 01:15:00,030
let's say let's hypothesize about two

1867
01:15:09,580 --> 01:15:03,989
other beings let's hypothesize about an

1868
01:15:11,419 --> 01:15:09,590
ET a visitor of a physical biological

1869
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:11,429
visitor

1870
01:15:15,770 --> 01:15:13,679
another planet one of the questions I

1871
01:15:19,490 --> 01:15:15,780
always pose to people is what do you

1872
01:15:23,330 --> 01:15:19,500
think ET sees in its life review so my

1873
01:15:28,540 --> 01:15:23,340
question is the consciousness experience

1874
01:15:32,570 --> 01:15:28,550
that ET is manifesting how is that

1875
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:32,580
different similar better worse than ours

1876
01:15:38,570 --> 01:15:35,489
and then the other example I'd say is a

1877
01:15:40,399 --> 01:15:38,580
spirit entity we have after death

1878
01:15:43,070 --> 01:15:40,409
communication people are connecting with

1879
01:15:46,250 --> 01:15:43,080
spirits same question for that what is

1880
01:15:47,959 --> 01:15:46,260
their experience in terms of manifesting

1881
01:15:49,550 --> 01:15:47,969
conscious and you can't just say it's

1882
01:15:51,530 --> 01:15:49,560
all one it's all the same there's no

1883
01:15:53,090 --> 01:15:51,540
separation it's all just one because

1884
01:15:55,490 --> 01:15:53,100
there's three different things there's

1885
01:15:57,770 --> 01:15:55,500
me there's ET and there's a spirit

1886
01:16:00,530 --> 01:15:57,780
there's no nouns there's just one thing

1887
01:16:02,270 --> 01:16:00,540
so you have ETS that are masquerading as

1888
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:02,280
ETS you have spirit guides that are

1889
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:04,290
masquerading as they're there in they

1890
01:16:07,970 --> 01:16:06,810
they have their one with us there's no

1891
01:16:10,580 --> 01:16:07,980
separation there one with us they're

1892
01:16:12,169 --> 01:16:10,590
higher they're higher beings that have

1893
01:16:13,610 --> 01:16:12,179
separated we've all separated we've come

1894
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:13,620
across the river of forgetfulness and

1895
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:16,650
when you talk about the the beings I

1896
01:16:20,030 --> 01:16:18,719
believe they're higher understanding

1897
01:16:21,500 --> 01:16:20,040
they understand oneness that's the

1898
01:16:23,810 --> 01:16:21,510
number one message that's given to

1899
01:16:25,550 --> 01:16:23,820
experiencers you cannot get off the

1900
01:16:27,020 --> 01:16:25,560
planet unless you understand its oneness

1901
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:27,030
that was the question that was asked by

1902
01:16:30,830 --> 01:16:29,520
John Hudson to Ben rich from Lockheed

1903
01:16:33,709 --> 01:16:30,840
skunkworks he said how do they get here

1904
01:16:35,540 --> 01:16:33,719
how does it work and Ben rich said what

1905
01:16:36,500 --> 01:16:35,550
do you know about ESP and he said means

1906
01:16:38,660 --> 01:16:36,510
everything in time and space is

1907
01:16:40,370 --> 01:16:38,670
connected said that's all works there is

1908
01:16:42,860 --> 01:16:40,380
no time there is no space there is no

1909
01:16:43,939 --> 01:16:42,870
physical universe it's all one thing and

1910
01:16:45,410 --> 01:16:43,949
when you realize you're going to get off

1911
01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:45,420
the planet as long as you believe

1912
01:16:50,660 --> 01:16:47,760
there's separation and there's them and

1913
01:16:52,899 --> 01:16:50,670
us we aren't going anywhere so it's all

1914
01:16:55,370 --> 01:16:52,909
the same thing it's just a different

1915
01:16:57,229 --> 01:16:55,380
different element it's just a different

1916
01:17:00,410 --> 01:16:57,239
spirit and that's why I'm writing the

1917
01:17:02,180 --> 01:17:00,420
book ET or maybe not why are you writing

1918
01:17:03,470 --> 01:17:02,190
the book if it's all the same it's all

1919
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:03,480
because I used to believe that there was

1920
01:17:06,979 --> 01:17:05,280
actual ETS that were coming from other

1921
01:17:07,550 --> 01:17:06,989
planets and and the more you look at it

1922
01:17:09,530 --> 01:17:07,560
you Mogo

1923
01:17:12,050 --> 01:17:09,540
know this looks like spirits this looks

1924
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:12,060
like not to me no it looks like et's

1925
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:14,370
from other planets and spirits and

1926
01:17:18,050 --> 01:17:16,770
shamanic journeying and all that other

1927
01:17:21,260 --> 01:17:18,060
stuff and they all came out of the one

1928
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:21,270
they all came out of the one why are you

1929
01:17:24,510 --> 01:17:22,650
writing the book are you writing the

1930
01:17:26,150 --> 01:17:24,520
book because I

1931
01:17:28,350 --> 01:17:26,160
I'm gonna say it's all it's all one

1932
01:17:30,150 --> 01:17:28,360
grant grant has all the contact

1933
01:17:32,670 --> 01:17:30,160
modalities but it's all one it's all

1934
01:17:34,930 --> 01:17:32,680
about consciousness all those reports

1935
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:34,940
are a waste of time

1936
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:40,860
all the material leads us back to the

1937
01:17:50,130 --> 01:17:48,730
fact that it's all one if you look at

1938
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:50,140
the free services so many people say I

1939
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:51,730
was an alien last time there's a bunch

1940
01:18:10,320 --> 01:17:53,440
of people John Denver believed he was an

1941
01:18:12,540 --> 01:18:10,330
alien it's all one it doesn't matter I

1942
01:18:14,220 --> 01:18:12,550
don't say it doesn't matter I just say

1943
01:18:15,270 --> 01:18:14,230
it it's all what you're the one that's

1944
01:18:17,010 --> 01:18:15,280
putting the nouns the saying this

1945
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:17,020
matters this is important this is it's

1946
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:21,760
not how does it matter because I have a

1947
01:18:24,990 --> 01:18:23,770
path that has to take and I'm trying to

1948
01:18:26,460 --> 01:18:25,000
figure out what's the path I'm supposed

1949
01:18:28,260 --> 01:18:26,470
to take what I'm supposed to do and it

1950
01:18:30,570 --> 01:18:28,270
comes down to there is no time there is

1951
01:18:32,940 --> 01:18:30,580
no space living in the moment live live

1952
01:18:37,050 --> 01:18:32,950
how do you do how could what you do

1953
01:18:39,630 --> 01:18:37,060
possibly matter it's all good it's all

1954
01:18:42,330 --> 01:18:39,640
what yeah but you you could what you do

1955
01:18:44,580 --> 01:18:42,340
possibly matter how can doing anything

1956
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:44,590
make a difference because it will

1957
01:18:48,780 --> 01:18:46,330
influence other people other people will

1958
01:18:50,610 --> 01:18:48,790
say oh I understand other people do

1959
01:18:53,750 --> 01:18:50,620
something different how does that make a

1960
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:53,760
difference it's a it's a learning the

1961
01:18:58,260 --> 01:18:56,290
light is learning there's no learning

1962
01:19:00,510 --> 01:18:58,270
you just you come in here the enjoying

1963
01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:00,520
me you come me everybody gotta file this

1964
01:19:04,380 --> 01:19:03,040
time you're the evil alien X's you're

1965
01:19:06,090 --> 01:19:04,390
gonna learn doesn't make any difference

1966
01:19:07,830 --> 01:19:06,100
what do you mean learn what do you mean

1967
01:19:10,860 --> 01:19:07,840
learn you're in a diverse and crime

1968
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:10,870
they're standing in empathy your per our

1969
01:19:16,140 --> 01:19:12,810
understanding and empathy good

1970
01:19:18,090 --> 01:19:16,150
absolutely because you're good you're

1971
01:19:21,180 --> 01:19:18,100
saying okay standing and empathy are

1972
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:21,190
good something is good we want to move

1973
01:19:24,570 --> 01:19:22,810
towards something that's good right

1974
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:24,580
exactly exactly

1975
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:26,650
great so you use it's a process of

1976
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:28,810
learning of me understanding how does

1977
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:30,730
this work and what's my role and then

1978
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:32,410
when I saw Michael Newton and I saw that

1979
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:34,930
he influenced me I realized like oh this

1980
01:19:38,130 --> 01:19:37,360
makes sense that there is this this this

1981
01:19:39,630 --> 01:19:38,140
path

1982
01:19:41,430 --> 01:19:39,640
and that you take responsibility for

1983
01:19:44,130 --> 01:19:41,440
stuff you live in the present moment and

1984
01:19:46,860 --> 01:19:44,140
you live you live for others rather than

1985
01:19:48,210 --> 01:19:46,870
for self and that's basically with what

1986
01:19:50,430 --> 01:19:48,220
I come down to and I took personal

1987
01:19:55,050 --> 01:19:50,440
responsibility I don't try to blame the

1988
01:19:56,220 --> 01:19:55,060
Russians of the Jews because you realize

1989
01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:56,230
this kind of goes against what you're

1990
01:19:58,860 --> 01:19:57,760
saying earlier but that's okay I get it

1991
01:20:00,900 --> 01:19:58,870
because I think that's where your heart

1992
01:20:04,290 --> 01:20:00,910
really has at and that's where my heart

1993
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:04,300
is at is we have to try and do we have

1994
01:20:08,370 --> 01:20:06,130
to try and do the right thing there is a

1995
01:20:11,970 --> 01:20:08,380
moral imperative there is a reality to

1996
01:20:17,790 --> 01:20:13,980
and there's the opposite of that too so

1997
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:17,800
we should resist it with our choice with

1998
01:20:24,930 --> 01:20:20,170
our consciousness we should resist doing

1999
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:24,940
things that move us away from that okay

2000
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:26,890
I agree with you but when it comes to

2001
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:28,960
other people you have to have and that

2002
01:20:33,750 --> 01:20:31,330
the that was the lesson it was turned to

2003
01:20:35,220 --> 01:20:33,760
me about the homeless I was at 500 per

2004
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:35,230
person homeless shelter and the first

2005
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:36,250
lesson they teach you is take a look

2006
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:40,090
around nobody planned to be here but

2007
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:41,410
will you say oh they're bad guys what

2008
01:20:44,610 --> 01:20:42,850
does he just go and stop drinking and

2009
01:20:46,500 --> 01:20:44,620
get a job and we don't have the empathy

2010
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:46,510
wherever they're standing that there but

2011
01:20:49,950 --> 01:20:48,610
for the grace of God go i and that if I

2012
01:20:51,660 --> 01:20:49,960
was in their shoes and walked around

2013
01:20:52,770 --> 01:20:51,670
then maybe I'd understand maybe why

2014
01:20:54,450 --> 01:20:52,780
they're doing what they're doing

2015
01:20:56,490 --> 01:20:54,460
that's all I'm saying I totally get that

2016
01:20:59,340 --> 01:20:56,500
on one level one on another level you

2017
01:21:01,680 --> 01:20:59,350
know political debates I think I think

2018
01:21:03,390 --> 01:21:01,690
in a lot of ways and this is part of the

2019
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:03,400
problem with this ongoing dialogue that

2020
01:21:10,650 --> 01:21:07,450
we're having political debates divide us

2021
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:10,660
in a way that really does create the

2022
01:21:18,150 --> 01:21:14,800
separation to use your words because to

2023
01:21:21,090 --> 01:21:18,160
suggest that you know one political

2024
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:21,100
point of view or one economic point of

2025
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:26,410
view is inherently better than another I

2026
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:28,570
think we have just too many examples

2027
01:21:35,700 --> 01:21:32,080
where it's really I just go back to what

2028
01:21:38,580 --> 01:21:35,710
you said it's in our heart already to

2029
01:21:41,340 --> 01:21:38,590
know what is right it's not that

2030
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:41,350
complicated and we should try and do

2031
01:21:46,830 --> 01:21:43,930
what's right and it probably will wind

2032
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:46,840
up being a pretty good decision to make

2033
01:21:50,570 --> 01:21:49,330
in the grand scheme of things that's do

2034
01:21:56,300 --> 01:21:50,580
what thou

2035
01:21:58,610 --> 01:21:56,310
wilt not a good strategy let me make one

2036
01:22:00,170 --> 01:21:58,620
final point on oneness you are the

2037
01:22:01,310 --> 01:22:00,180
United States of America the most

2038
01:22:02,780 --> 01:22:01,320
powerful country in the world because

2039
01:22:04,490 --> 01:22:02,790
it's the United States of America and

2040
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:04,500
you now have separation you have half

2041
01:22:07,220 --> 01:22:05,970
the people believe one thing half the

2042
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:07,230
people believe the other thing and

2043
01:22:10,130 --> 01:22:08,730
there's actually people posting friends

2044
01:22:11,390 --> 01:22:10,140
of mine went and posted and said we

2045
01:22:13,190 --> 01:22:11,400
should actually take these people up and

2046
01:22:16,460 --> 01:22:13,200
line them up and shoot them so now you

2047
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:16,470
have a separation understanding where

2048
01:22:20,030 --> 01:22:18,330
it's one American versus another

2049
01:22:21,170 --> 01:22:20,040
American and when you get separation

2050
01:22:22,700 --> 01:22:21,180
you're going to get division you're

2051
01:22:24,380 --> 01:22:22,710
gonna get killing and it's going to go

2052
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:24,390
downhill and the United States of

2053
01:22:27,770 --> 01:22:25,920
America was the most powerful country

2054
01:22:30,110 --> 01:22:27,780
and they like to the world because they

2055
01:22:33,350 --> 01:22:30,120
believed they were one they were all the

2056
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:33,360
same all created under God what point in

2057
01:22:38,450 --> 01:22:35,130
history are you pointing to because the

2058
01:22:41,450 --> 01:22:38,460
more I read about and study my American

2059
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:41,460
history the more I I don't see this

2060
01:22:46,910 --> 01:22:43,850
golden era that you're talking about

2061
01:22:48,530 --> 01:22:46,920
well the fact that you had a situation

2062
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:48,540
where you in Congress you could actually

2063
01:22:53,090 --> 01:22:51,330
pass a bill in the house you've got 250

2064
01:22:55,220 --> 01:22:53,100
bills that don't even pass that you have

2065
01:22:57,410 --> 01:22:55,230
this total decay period what period are

2066
01:22:59,600 --> 01:22:57,420
you talking about is in the last year

2067
01:23:01,580 --> 01:22:59,610
where you can put what period in the

2068
01:23:05,420 --> 01:23:01,590
past are you talking about where there

2069
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:05,430
was this golden age where democracy and

2070
01:23:10,940 --> 01:23:08,330
freedom reigned and there wasn't

2071
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:10,950
corruption and well there's always going

2072
01:23:13,370 --> 01:23:12,210
to be corruption but twenty years ago

2073
01:23:17,380 --> 01:23:13,380
you could actually pass a bill now you

2074
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:19,340
twenty years ago where people were

2075
01:23:22,340 --> 01:23:21,210
saying there's fifty percent we're

2076
01:23:23,660 --> 01:23:22,350
saying we should kill the other fifty

2077
01:23:25,370 --> 01:23:23,670
percent was you know at this kind of

2078
01:23:28,130 --> 01:23:25,380
stuff this is new once you get

2079
01:23:31,670 --> 01:23:28,140
separation 9/11 was an orchestrated

2080
01:23:34,250 --> 01:23:31,680
event that was designed to destroy the

2081
01:23:36,890 --> 01:23:34,260
fourth amendment which it did it's never

2082
01:23:39,290 --> 01:23:36,900
been restored a lot of people think it

2083
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:39,300
was also designed to kind of cramp down

2084
01:23:43,460 --> 01:23:41,730
on the First Amendment and the Second

2085
01:23:44,270 --> 01:23:43,470
Amendment which it seems to be heading

2086
01:23:46,850 --> 01:23:44,280
in that direction

2087
01:23:54,050 --> 01:23:46,860
that's what happened twenty years ago so

2088
01:23:58,790 --> 01:23:54,060
twenty years ago is a is a glory day no

2089
01:24:00,980 --> 01:23:58,800
you said twenty years ago so differenct

2090
01:24:03,530 --> 01:24:00,990
at no time am i saying it's perfect I'm

2091
01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:03,540
saying it is better before than it is

2092
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:03,840
now

2093
01:24:07,070 --> 01:24:05,520
because at no point did you have a

2094
01:24:09,890 --> 01:24:07,080
situation where somebody can stand up

2095
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:09,900
and make a speech and every and 50% of

2096
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:11,760
people will see one speech and the other

2097
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:13,679
50% of people will see completely

2098
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:16,080
different viewpoint is completely

2099
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:18,330
divided and the more it divides the more

2100
01:24:20,810 --> 01:24:19,170
you're going to get into a situation

2101
01:24:23,689 --> 01:24:20,820
where you can have civil war and you can

2102
01:24:27,919 --> 01:24:23,699
have Americans fighting Americans if you

2103
01:24:29,870 --> 01:24:27,929
were playing the chessboard and don't

2104
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:29,880
you dare use separation in your answer

2105
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:32,130
to this if you were you if you were

2106
01:24:36,919 --> 01:24:34,010
playing the chessboard and you were

2107
01:24:38,750 --> 01:24:36,929
trying to win right because you thought

2108
01:24:43,070 --> 01:24:38,760
winning and you thought winning meant

2109
01:24:51,260 --> 01:24:43,080
controlling the herd then might you not

2110
01:24:54,109 --> 01:24:51,270
see an advantage in divisive nacelle

2111
01:24:57,020 --> 01:24:54,119
fear yourselves it makes money we clean

2112
01:24:58,490 --> 01:24:57,030
the stock market every 12 years the big

2113
01:25:00,620 --> 01:24:58,500
guys go take the money off the board and

2114
01:25:03,589 --> 01:25:00,630
then buy stuff back as 30% on the dollar

2115
01:25:05,419 --> 01:25:03,599
yeah separation and division sell it

2116
01:25:08,300 --> 01:25:05,429
makes lots of money I will agree with

2117
01:25:11,149 --> 01:25:08,310
that and I would say that it's not

2118
01:25:13,129 --> 01:25:11,159
really about the I mean ultimately it

2119
01:25:16,700 --> 01:25:13,139
can be about the money but it's also

2120
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:16,710
about the herd it's about the control

2121
01:25:22,850 --> 01:25:20,250
your it when people are afraid when

2122
01:25:25,609 --> 01:25:22,860
people feel isolated when people feel

2123
01:25:30,020 --> 01:25:25,619
I'll use the word separation they are

2124
01:25:32,180 --> 01:25:30,030
much easier to control people that are

2125
01:25:34,370 --> 01:25:32,190
doing the controlling believe in

2126
01:25:36,589 --> 01:25:34,380
separation they believe that I am here

2127
01:25:38,300 --> 01:25:36,599
and you are just an object that I am

2128
01:25:40,310 --> 01:25:38,310
going to use whether you're a child

2129
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:40,320
whether you're a person's money whatever

2130
01:25:44,629 --> 01:25:43,050
I am the guy you are just an object when

2131
01:25:46,220 --> 01:25:44,639
you suddenly realize that the people

2132
01:25:47,419 --> 01:25:46,230
that you are taking their money they're

2133
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:47,429
doing whatever you're paying to them

2134
01:25:52,339 --> 01:25:50,489
when you realize that is me that's when

2135
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you suddenly realize that you've got to

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01:25:57,439 --> 01:25:54,090
stop doing it because we are all the

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01:25:58,879 --> 01:25:57,449
same person as long as we believe this I

2138
01:26:01,520 --> 01:25:58,889
agree with you I just don't think that

2139
01:26:04,370 --> 01:26:01,530
that map's quite as directly onto the

2140
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:04,380
political process as you do that notion

2141
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:08,130
that there is a political solution to

2142
01:26:14,570 --> 01:26:11,130
this or that there's a group that's a

2143
01:26:16,459 --> 01:26:14,580
party that somehow there isn't separate

2144
01:26:17,450 --> 01:26:16,469
from that no there isn't because they're

2145
01:26:19,250 --> 01:26:17,460
all doing the eagle

2146
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:19,260
thing they're saying I there's a problem

2147
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:21,210
and I'm the good Messiah who's gonna

2148
01:26:24,830 --> 01:26:23,010
save the thing that's not how it works

2149
01:26:27,260 --> 01:26:24,840
it's good nothing to it politics it's

2150
01:26:30,260 --> 01:26:27,270
just another division game well I think

2151
01:26:32,750 --> 01:26:30,270
the Jeffrey Epstein case has so much

2152
01:26:35,180 --> 01:26:32,760
more to say to this and if you really

2153
01:26:37,190 --> 01:26:35,190
look at Brown stoning and sexual

2154
01:26:40,340 --> 01:26:37,200
blackmail and you know you really start

2155
01:26:43,370 --> 01:26:40,350
tracing it back and you go oh wow gray :

2156
01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:43,380
oh wow back in the 80s oh wow there it

2157
01:26:46,850 --> 01:26:45,450
it pops up back in the 60s oh I just

2158
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:46,860
listened to a guy who wrote an excellent

2159
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:48,810
book about Watergate that's ultimately

2160
01:26:53,330 --> 01:26:50,850
what Watergate was about I'm Adam

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01:26:55,940 --> 01:26:53,340
another DC madam who had a little black

2162
01:26:58,460 --> 01:26:55,950
book and was sexually blackmail this is

2163
01:27:01,460 --> 01:26:58,470
an ongoing game I just interviewed John

2164
01:27:04,580 --> 01:27:01,470
Brisson about the finders cult if no

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01:27:06,860 --> 01:27:04,590
one's ever heard about that again if

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01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:06,870
you're in if you're in intelligence if

2167
01:27:12,890 --> 01:27:09,810
you're in and one of the alphabet letter

2168
01:27:16,430 --> 01:27:12,900
intelligence organizations and you have

2169
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:16,440
are tasked with kind of infiltrating and

2170
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:17,970
winning against some foreign government

2171
01:27:21,710 --> 01:27:20,010
well you can do a bunch of other stuff

2172
01:27:24,290 --> 01:27:21,720
but when somebody goes you know that

2173
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:24,300
guy's into eight-year-old boys and I can

2174
01:27:28,250 --> 01:27:26,610
procure for you thirty year old boy and

2175
01:27:30,140 --> 01:27:28,260
get him in this hotel room we can

2176
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:30,150
videotape the whole thing and we got

2177
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:32,010
that [\h__\h] we got him for life

2178
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:35,010
now even if you're a stand-up guy in the

2179
01:27:40,070 --> 01:27:38,490
CIA that is SuperDuper tempting because

2180
01:27:43,580 --> 01:27:40,080
you're like you know we've been trying

2181
01:27:46,340 --> 01:27:43,590
to crack the code with Egypt for twenty

2182
01:27:50,510 --> 01:27:46,350
years and we can't do it but if I just

2183
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:50,520
do this one evil deed and I just further

2184
01:27:56,270 --> 01:27:52,410
destroy the life of this eight-year-old

2185
01:27:59,200 --> 01:27:56,280
boy I can in this you know balancing act

2186
01:28:02,230 --> 01:27:59,210
I can accomplish all these good things

2187
01:28:05,870 --> 01:28:02,240
against these people kind of thing so I

2188
01:28:08,750 --> 01:28:05,880
just I don't have the same lens that you

2189
01:28:13,340 --> 01:28:08,760
do on politics I think politics is

2190
01:28:16,460 --> 01:28:13,350
always a dirty win at all cost game and

2191
01:28:18,470 --> 01:28:16,470
I think the only way out is to be

2192
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:18,480
completely out of it and to be

2193
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:19,520
completely

2194
01:28:24,410 --> 01:28:22,080
apolitical and I think it comes down to

2195
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:24,420
compassion all the things that you care

2196
01:28:27,910 --> 01:28:25,890
about I care about

2197
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:27,920
we both resonated with the Dalai Lama

2198
01:28:31,129 --> 01:28:30,330
story of the monk who comes back and

2199
01:28:35,179 --> 01:28:31,139
says

2200
01:28:39,589 --> 01:28:35,189
lost at all I almost lost the ability to

2201
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:39,599
see my worst enemy as just another part

2202
01:28:44,500 --> 01:28:41,010
of me which is what you've been saying

2203
01:28:47,719 --> 01:28:44,510
all yeah and and so when it gets too

2204
01:28:49,850 --> 01:28:47,729
political or sexual thing it's it always

2205
01:28:52,639 --> 01:28:49,860
comes down to this person is separate

2206
01:28:55,759 --> 01:28:52,649
from me they are an object I need to use

2207
01:28:57,319 --> 01:28:55,769
this object in order to benefit me or as

2208
01:28:59,689 --> 01:28:57,329
I think I'm going to do something good

2209
01:29:02,089 --> 01:28:59,699
by doing this once you see a person or a

2210
01:29:04,669 --> 01:29:02,099
thing as an object it is there to be

2211
01:29:07,129 --> 01:29:04,679
used and to be benefited by and you

2212
01:29:08,750 --> 01:29:07,139
relief lose the idea that everything is

2213
01:29:11,089 --> 01:29:08,760
conscious everything is sentient

2214
01:29:12,799 --> 01:29:11,099
everything is God and once once you

2215
01:29:15,500 --> 01:29:12,809
realize that you stop doing all this

2216
01:29:17,719 --> 01:29:15,510
crazy stuff two things that we believe

2217
01:29:20,509 --> 01:29:17,729
are just objects it's just an object to

2218
01:29:22,729 --> 01:29:20,519
sit the person it's just a bad guy from

2219
01:29:24,319 --> 01:29:22,739
another country it's just an oppressor

2220
01:29:26,659 --> 01:29:24,329
or whatever once you can make that

2221
01:29:32,259 --> 01:29:26,669
separation then you can do all manner of

2222
01:29:34,459 --> 01:29:32,269
evil our guest again has been ever so

2223
01:29:36,649 --> 01:29:34,469
magnificent grant camera and I hope

2224
01:29:40,279 --> 01:29:36,659
you've enjoyed this conversation the

2225
01:29:42,350 --> 01:29:40,289
give-and-take which you can only get

2226
01:29:44,569 --> 01:29:42,360
into with people that you really respect

2227
01:29:46,279 --> 01:29:44,579
at this level and you admire this level

2228
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:46,289
grant in the time that we have left

2229
01:29:50,929 --> 01:29:49,050
please tell people how to stay in touch

2230
01:29:52,669 --> 01:29:50,939
with your work and what's coming up when

2231
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:52,679
are these books coming out apparently

2232
01:29:57,589 --> 01:29:55,050
you said the contact modality book is

2233
01:30:02,000 --> 01:29:57,599
coming out right now what about the

2234
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:02,010
aiport book we didn't talk about i've

2235
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:04,050
got about maybe six books that are sort

2236
01:30:08,359 --> 01:30:06,570
of in editing i'm not really into that

2237
01:30:10,639 --> 01:30:08,369
part of the thing i'm more into the

2238
01:30:12,319 --> 01:30:10,649
discovery so i know into physical

2239
01:30:15,469 --> 01:30:12,329
mediums people who are able to bring

2240
01:30:18,049 --> 01:30:15,479
Louie Armstrong into a room and play and

2241
01:30:20,330 --> 01:30:18,059
produce our ports and stuff like that so

2242
01:30:22,189 --> 01:30:20,340
I'm still the research guy most of my

2243
01:30:24,709 --> 01:30:22,199
stuff will be on my white house UFO

2244
01:30:26,149 --> 01:30:24,719
YouTube channel where I put a lot of

2245
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:26,159
interviews that I do with people who I

2246
01:30:30,409 --> 01:30:28,050
think have an interesting story to tell

2247
01:30:32,540 --> 01:30:30,419
that sort of that goes into this kind of

2248
01:30:34,219 --> 01:30:32,550
stuff I'm doing a book on Mount Shasta

2249
01:30:36,109 --> 01:30:34,229
which is an experience when I was at

2250
01:30:38,449 --> 01:30:36,119
Mount Shasta where they had this being

2251
01:30:39,739 --> 01:30:38,459
appear there the mission Rama people if

2252
01:30:41,359 --> 01:30:39,749
you know that whole story I was there

2253
01:30:43,969 --> 01:30:41,369
when this happened I documented the

2254
01:30:44,870 --> 01:30:43,979
whole weekend in a book and the aport

2255
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:44,880
book is

2256
01:30:48,229 --> 01:30:46,290
streaming important to manifestation and

2257
01:30:50,030 --> 01:30:48,239
a port but again they're all lined up

2258
01:30:51,620 --> 01:30:50,040
and if they get published to get

2259
01:30:53,030 --> 01:30:51,630
published if they don't they don't I'm

2260
01:30:55,729 --> 01:30:53,040
really not that concerned I'm more

2261
01:30:57,050 --> 01:30:55,739
interested in chasing down what I think

2262
01:30:59,390 --> 01:30:57,060
are very interesting people who have

2263
01:31:01,669 --> 01:30:59,400
stories and my main thing now is the

2264
01:31:03,830 --> 01:31:01,679
link between the spiritual world and the

2265
01:31:05,990 --> 01:31:03,840
UFO world which is going to be detailed

2266
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:06,000
in this book extraterrestrial or maybe

2267
01:31:11,090 --> 01:31:08,370
not I look at the all the problems with

2268
01:31:12,830 --> 01:31:11,100
the extra-terrestrial theory you know

2269
01:31:14,390 --> 01:31:12,840
when I hear you talk like this I wonder

2270
01:31:16,220 --> 01:31:14,400
how we even managed to disagree on

2271
01:31:17,990 --> 01:31:16,230
everything I'm so in line with all your

2272
01:31:20,149 --> 01:31:18,000
fabulous work and everything that you're

2273
01:31:24,410 --> 01:31:20,159
doing and ultimately we are of the same

2274
01:31:25,879 --> 01:31:24,420
heart and I think this discussion will

2275
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:25,889
help I think this is what people need to

2276
01:31:28,939 --> 01:31:27,210
hear even though it may sound a little

2277
01:31:30,709 --> 01:31:28,949
controversial ten years from now I don't

2278
01:31:32,899 --> 01:31:30,719
think it'll be as controversial as now

2279
01:31:34,910 --> 01:31:32,909
because people are just starting to get

2280
01:31:36,379 --> 01:31:34,920
into this and you and I and I say this

2281
01:31:38,959 --> 01:31:36,389
to the people in the UFO community I

2282
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:38,969
have a new assistant sinead well ahem

2283
01:31:42,500 --> 01:31:40,650
who's joined me and she just had her

2284
01:31:44,330 --> 01:31:42,510
awakening about six eight months ago and

2285
01:31:46,399 --> 01:31:44,340
I keep telling her she need you got to

2286
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:46,409
realize there are only a couple of

2287
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:48,570
people who know what we need to talk

2288
01:31:52,010 --> 01:31:50,130
about consciousness you may have people

2289
01:31:53,959 --> 01:31:52,020
in the UFO Commedia use the word they

2290
01:31:56,390 --> 01:31:53,969
have no idea it's only at your level in

2291
01:31:58,370 --> 01:31:56,400
my level that people actually understand

2292
01:32:00,649 --> 01:31:58,380
the connection to the near-death

2293
01:32:01,970 --> 01:32:00,659
experience to the spirit world to all

2294
01:32:04,399 --> 01:32:01,980
this kind of stuff very few people

2295
01:32:05,930 --> 01:32:04,409
understand the consciousness angle and I

2296
01:32:08,090 --> 01:32:05,940
keep warning or I say you got to realize

2297
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:08,100
there's not that many people and we are

2298
01:32:11,660 --> 01:32:10,050
the first people were on the front line

2299
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:11,670
of this thing so ten years from now I

2300
01:32:15,979 --> 01:32:13,530
think you and I the conversations we've

2301
01:32:18,140 --> 01:32:15,989
had will mean a lot more to people they

2302
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:18,150
will suddenly catch on that this is an

2303
01:32:21,530 --> 01:32:19,770
important aspect right now are we still

2304
01:32:24,050 --> 01:32:21,540
into you know where the aliens from

2305
01:32:25,310 --> 01:32:24,060
what's the technology you know we get

2306
01:32:27,830 --> 01:32:25,320
the free energy and they're into that

2307
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:27,840
whole nuts and bolts saying you and I

2308
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:29,370
are one of the few people I think

2309
01:32:33,830 --> 01:32:31,530
they're on the leading edge of this

2310
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:33,840
consciousness thing which I believe is

2311
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:37,290
going to answer all the questions Grant

2312
01:32:41,629 --> 01:32:38,850
awesome having you on thanks again

2313
01:32:43,370 --> 01:32:41,639
earful Thank You Ellis thanks so much

2314
01:32:44,750 --> 01:32:43,380
for grant camera for joining me today in

2315
01:32:46,879 --> 01:32:44,760
skeptical as I said during the interview

2316
01:32:50,300 --> 01:32:46,889
you know there's a lot of heated

2317
01:32:53,149 --> 01:32:50,310
exchanges between grant and I but that's

2318
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:53,159
mainly because he's a guy I can get to

2319
01:32:58,379 --> 01:32:56,610
level three with on this discussion and

2320
01:33:00,149 --> 01:32:58,389
I want to get to level three with

2321
01:33:02,220 --> 01:33:00,159
so let me throw a lot of question it's

2322
01:33:05,970 --> 01:33:02,230
the the question I always teased with

2323
01:33:08,340 --> 01:33:05,980
and that's what is he TC in its life

2324
01:33:10,169 --> 01:33:08,350
review and the reason I like that

2325
01:33:12,899 --> 01:33:10,179
question is it kind of immediately

2326
01:33:16,229 --> 01:33:12,909
catapults us into all these important

2327
01:33:18,870 --> 01:33:16,239
questions about the moral imperative is

2328
01:33:23,070 --> 01:33:18,880
there good is there bad are we obligated

2329
01:33:26,550 --> 01:33:23,080
to try and do something for some reason

2330
01:33:29,189 --> 01:33:26,560
and it also obviously brings into focus

2331
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:29,199
these extended consciousness realms and

2332
01:33:35,129 --> 01:33:32,170
these beings whether they be spirit

2333
01:33:37,020 --> 01:33:35,139
beings et beings or no beings at all if

2334
01:33:39,419 --> 01:33:37,030
you're a completely materialist atheist

2335
01:33:42,810 --> 01:33:39,429
that might exist in these extended

2336
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:42,820
consciousness realms so let me know your

2337
01:33:46,379 --> 01:33:45,130
thoughts to that kind of question that I

2338
01:33:47,790 --> 01:33:46,389
kind of dragged down there and the place

2339
01:33:49,979 --> 01:33:47,800
to do it of course is the skeptical

2340
01:33:51,570 --> 01:33:49,989
forum please join me over there you know

2341
01:33:53,790 --> 01:33:51,580
I've said this before but I'll repeat it

2342
01:33:58,050 --> 01:33:53,800
one of the real pleasures I get out of

2343
01:34:00,350 --> 01:33:58,060
this show is interacting with you you

2344
01:34:03,830 --> 01:34:00,360
folks who listen to it and have so many

2345
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:03,840
fantastic ideas I've gained so much from

2346
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:08,050
people who share with me new information

2347
01:34:12,209 --> 01:34:09,610
things that they're learning things that

2348
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:12,219
they're experiencing that's so so much a

2349
01:34:17,430 --> 01:34:14,650
part of this whole experience for me and

2350
01:34:20,669 --> 01:34:17,440
I've just found that the skeptical forum

2351
01:34:22,500 --> 01:34:20,679
is kind of a good place to do that so if

2352
01:34:25,950 --> 01:34:22,510
you haven't been over there in a while

2353
01:34:28,729 --> 01:34:25,960
come back see what's going on be part of

2354
01:34:33,180 --> 01:34:28,739
that community join us talk to us and

2355
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:33,190
let's get that dialogue going and of

2356
01:34:38,970 --> 01:34:36,010
course while your fingers are typing be

2357
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:38,980
sure to check out skeptic Oh calm where

2358
01:34:42,270 --> 01:34:40,090
you can download all these shows for

2359
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:42,280
free or just grab the link and share it

2360
01:34:48,750 --> 01:34:45,010
with share it with someone who you think

2361
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:48,760
needs to hear this information I kind of

2362
01:34:55,140 --> 01:34:51,090
have this idea that the right person

2363
01:34:58,200 --> 01:34:55,150
finds a way to share this show with the

2364
01:35:00,600 --> 01:34:58,210
right person who needs it at the time

2365
01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:00,610
that they need it that's that's my

2366
01:35:06,359 --> 01:35:03,489
fantasy that that I play in my head so

2367
01:35:08,729 --> 01:35:06,369
see if that works for you I do have a

2368
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:08,739
number of great shows I think coming up

2369
01:35:14,729 --> 01:35:11,370
please stay with me for all of that

2370
01:35:16,140 --> 01:35:14,739
until next time take care and bye for